Body Augmentation / Reduction Discussion

The counter to that is that like you said, you missed my point. I never said they should stop. Quite the opposite. Even if we have the priority of doing it, there will always be hackers and makers and thinkers who will have a better way. But it should not be incumbent upon them. Does that explain it better?

I am angry not that they’re doing it, but that they HAVE to when industry should’ve reached that point a decade ago, but has no impetus to do so because society doesn’t. That explain it better?

Yup. This guy could easily do his own damn reading - I recommend Brynn Tannehill’s “Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Trans” book. It covers, like, literally ALL of the bases, better than I can, and is written like a research paper because it’s fully cited. @anon3825968 can go see all of this in full scientific detail, but he seems to have been taken in by the disinformation sewn by the anti-trans crowd.

But nevertheless, education is sometimes left up to those in the communities affected by ignorance, and I think he’s trying to be a bit of a needling jerk about it in places, but that sounds like a personality issue, not actual malice. Maybe he’ll take from it and learn.

That said, it is never the duty or responsibility of the affected community to educate. Many of us have a hard enough time with the day to day of it and the bullshit staring and dirty looks. The information is out there, people can educate themselves, but they’re disinclined to do it, thinking they already know it all.

It’s kinda not though. Services for the homeless are underfunded and we still spend tons of money on that, on food banks, on social services, and of course, criminal motherfucking “justice,” and when the true answers stare us right in the fucking face we avert our eyes.

Yes, we should focus first on certain things first like homelessness in veterans and the like, but remember how much those populations intersect. People often turn to this shit cause they don’t see how their lives can get WORSE. So help them make it better. Ideally people should be helped to transition to self-subsistence, but there’s nothing that says we need to stop there.

lol, welcome to America. But really, there are greater thinkers than I on every street corner, so how we would define that, I dunno. But I think it’s simply defined as doing the best for everyone in their individual case. What that is would be left to science and medicine to help define, with the aid of folks more empathetic than driven by numbers and data, so we don’t end up with gatekeeping. I can’t answer the questions of voluntary amputees, but I’ve also read that a number of them do regret it if they succeed, for one reason or another, so some things need to be carefully weighed certainly.

Well, what definition of free speech is the question. Total? Shout fire in a crowded theater? What about freedom to spread lies and misinformation for the lulz like that kid did about the NZ “outbreak?” Or about vaccines. Or masks. Then how do we address blatant hate speech like the goddamned Nazis? Your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins, you know?

And I know Canada and the UK and Germany tried to suppress hate speech and people claim it just went underground, but ya know what? UK TV normalized interracial relationships a long time ago. We still can’t have that as a regular and unremarkable feature of our shows. It’s always a “big deal.” So maybe outlawing the KKK, the Nazis, and other hate groups isn’t a bad idea. There will always be an underground market for these ideas but eventually they become intolerable in open society, which is very much a good thing.

Happy to!

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