Body Augmentation / Reduction Discussion

I know… and I didn’t want to push the responsibility for informing people over to you. But to be honest, we’ve already got more informations available than we can ever read… So I think most people just don’t inform themselves on a topic until they kinda “meet” it. So, if they never ever met a trans person before, most people just don’t educate themselves about it. It just doesn’t affect them. Every info they get is the bits that occasionally appear in the papers, the news, maybe during some casual conversation. And that’s it. That’s not even a big problem, as long as those supercifial bits of information (aka prejudices - and that’s not meant as negative as it sounds) are not taken as “the whole truth” and spread around. I always try to talk about topics I know something about, and if I don’t, I ask questions or start some research… or just plainly admit that I know too little about it to have a clear opinion.

Don’t want to piss on your leg, honestly, but posting quite a lot about a topic that’s very important and sensible to those who are affected, and saying it is “more or less factual” might not be a good idea.

Problem is, a lot of people argumented especially with the “it’s unnatural” thingy for quite a long time, and it’s still used against, for example, gay marriage. Or transsexuality. Or lots of other stuff. So it’s exactly the point that makes the lifes of lots of people harder. Additionally, I just don’t think thats a valid point in a forum of people who put chips inside their bodies…

That’s totally fine :wink: You came up with a good idea, but it’s not your job to lay out the whole plan. It’s just important to keep talking and thinking about it all.

Yep, and that’s what I meant by “harming others”. Shouting fire in a crowded theatre might lead to serious harm, so that’s not okay. Lying is, ethically, not okay - though there are cases where it might be, that’s a topic philosophers argue about :wink: Guess everyone draws his own line somewhere, for me it would be okay to lie to protect someone from harm. Hate speech does harm as well - if I say something that leads to assault on other people, that is not covered by “free speech”. But still, there is the right to express an opinion - even if I might think it is stupid, wrong, whatever. So for me, it is okay (though incredibly stupid) if someone says that covid-19 doesn’t exist, as long as he does not act in a way that poses a threat to others.
Nazis are a very difficult thing, though… simply because I disagree with them so deeply, that it’s hard for me to let them “have their opinion”, too. But still… okay, let them think they are the “superior race”, as long as they don’t assault others (or convince others to do that), I’m… no, definitely not “okay” with that. But I think it’s covered by free speech, and it’s the job of society as a whole to act (and speak up) against that. Democracy has to stand idiots. Problem is, if certain thing are just forbidden, they get less controllable (because they’re more underground), and become a lot more attractive for stupid kids who want to provoke.

And that’s just the point - that’s the “job” of society. To draw a line, to say “No, thats not bad because it’s illegal, that’s bad because it’s against human rights. Because it’s stupid, because it’s unethical”. Outlawing is of course a good idea if there is violence involved in those groups - as with the KKK or our german neonazis. This is illegal, this should be forbidden. But forbidding having a racist opinion… nah.

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