DT and Vivokey HSM


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Hah, I asked Amal for his input here.

For reference, I live in a country where the government thinks it’s above maths. (I wish I was joking but a former PM literally said “the law of mathematics is all well and good but it isn’t above the law of Australia”)

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Right now we have a semi-custom HSM but considering moving to Hashicorp Vault. Sparks are and will be the only chips with symmetric crypto… future chip releases like the Apex line will support full PKI for VivoKey activities. The Apex chips support chip-side key pair generation, and the VivoKey Identity applet, and any VivoKey branded applets we deploy, will all leverage chip side key pair creation. This means we will not actually have your private keys at all for any Apex line device.

This is likely where you would want to leverage PGP or other autonomous uses of Apex’s encryption capabilities that have nothing to do with us. Resisting complex attacks from state actors or organized crime targeting specific individuals is, for now anyway, outside the scope of VivoKey. I’d love for it to be a major focus, but right now the focus is continuing to build this niche out of “biohacking” and into some sort of mainstream business, while also keeping a roof over our heads. One day, with the means behind us, we will expand our scope.

For now, servers are in North America… we will very likely branch out once we are able.

I know this has been discussed above, and @Satur9 even hit directly on this concept… but the best response for this I can think of is this - Being Jewish in Germany was perfectly legal, until it wasn’t. They had nothing to hide, then had to go into hiding. Being able to hide saved many lives. The same could be true of encryption - being able to properly hide yourself in a digital society turned rotten may just save lives.

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@fraggersparks
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then…:man_shrugging:

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It took me awhile to understand what you’re saying, but I get it know, Very good point.

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In this case, I’m not taking a big risk: everybody really does have something to hide. That’s just a fact :slight_smile: And you do too: for instance, if some dude stopped you in the street and asked you your most intimate sexual fantasy, you wouldn’t readily tell them would you? Well there you go: you have something to hide.

I’ll tell you another story: a friend of mine had snapped holiday pictures of his family and put them up on his website some 20 years ago. One day, the fuzz knocked at his door, told him he hosted pictures of naked children, and arrested him on pedopornography charges - much to his wife’s dismay. The pictures in question were of his children on the beach. No matter how much they argued they were just innocuous holiday photos, that the kids were now grown up and willing to testify nothing dirty had happened to them in the past, he still had to spend a few hours at the precinct with the cuffs on, then hire a lawyer and fight the charges in court.

Well, 20 years ago, putting up photos of your children playing naked on the beach was okay. Today it is not. Things change, and stuff you think you have nothing to hide today may need to be hidden in the future. Like pictures of your kids. Or perhaps photos of your bar mitzvah if you lived in Germany in 1933. Or perhaps photos of you and your friends celebrating cinco de mayo if you lived in the US in 2020…

People who know history hide things that are perfectly okay today to future-proof their lives, and they don’t want to give out the decryption key. That’s also why encryption exists.

A fair point to make.

I believe personal privacy comes above all else. I asked a colleague about your statement - as I work with a group of technical people. We all had a good discussion about it. His response was of the question: “If it is okay for the government to perform mass surveillance and expect transparency from the populace, why is it not okay for us to expect transparency from them?” The government keeps many secrets. Privacy (or a lack of) should be considered a two way street.

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I’m gay, I have sex with other men.
I’m not afraid to say it, Neither should anyone else.
Edit:Bet nobody saw that coming.

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Sadly, you should be, and so should everyone else.

hah ok guys… we’re way off subject… this is about hardware security modules :slight_smile:

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So, I think people are missing my point, Everyone should have the right to privacy, Theres no denying that, In my opinion, People should lose those rights as soon as there’s enough evidence to subpoena them or a company for that matter.
Sorry @amal, I said it.

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Lol, I agree.

@amal feel free to remove anything I’ve wrote.
Shyt got cRaZy :rofl::joy::sob:

Sorry Amal.


I’m guessing the servers are on the east coast?

VivoKey doesn’t run the Discourse servers.

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Nah, I was just pointing out the date. It’s a timezone thing. I think.

Sorry it took so long to reply been sitting at the airport trying to catch a flight to Malaysia, get to setup one of our rigs on site at our service providers :).

I love the feedback guy/gals! Gotta love my cyborg family, anyways @amal like always on-top of it with feedback. I think you addressed everything I was looking for. The passion you have for our society is why your the only company I trust with my implants.

I applaud EVERYONE that gave feedback, we kept it very civil and many ideas were able to be exchanged. That’s what true debates and discussions revolve around.

Quick edit:

I do love having 2 NeXT and a Spark! Sitting at the airport. Dropped my cold wallet to the 2nd NDEF Record. And moved my boarding pass to one, and setup my other chip to hold the nfc task to turn on inflight wifi and entertainment!

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Is there any documentation or info re: boarding passes for implants you could point me to? This is an awesome use!

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Read this today… seemed relevant.

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@anon2520759 I fly American Airlines, Lingus and Japan Airlines which all have mobile boarding passes. I wrote there corresponding urls to my chips.

That way when boarding I can just scan my hand and show them my boarding pass nothing to spectacular.

@amal very interesting read

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Oh awesome, thank you!

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