the ring is the new ring from them as the new ring only has the single dot , and from what i read and see its a gen2 ring - the card im trying to copy is a gen 1 clearly stated on the search verbose … i did however somehow get the uid copied . i keep hearing the card just needs to be copied/cloned with out the magic commands, and this is how i copied the uid. i must have been copying it with the wrong commands .