What you donât see, is people that use a firearm arm in situations that donât merit it, are dealt very VERY harsh punishments⊠but that doesnât make the news⊠just the initial headline and the insinuation that it was âokâ to do so
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Yeah right, when he passes away they are willed to me. Iâve already told him Iâm not keeping them they will be going to a museum for everyone to enjoy.
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Would you mind walking me through what it take for you to get, say, a handgun in your state?
Here itâs like this: you first need a valid reason (either hunting (need hunting license), sporting (need membership in shooting club), security (intended for security guards), and self-defense (only if you can prove an imminent threat to your life)).
You also have to be 18, mentally fit, and have no history of breaking the law at all (background check). Then, you need to get a 800⏠firearms course (specific to what you are interested in, that means separate for handgun, hunting rifle etc.). This takes about 14 days I think. After that you also need to acquire a license to purchase munitions, which is another couple of 100âŹ. After that, you need to get issued a per case permit to buy the specific model of firearm, get written down in a database etc. Also, per case permkt for ammunitions (like a work order almost, but I think only after a certain amount). After that, you are required to keep your firearm in a safe, and ammunition in a separate safe (I think). There are inspections. I think there are also some provisions that make acquisition for sporting reasons easier (you can store your guns at the shooting clubs so no inspectionsâŠ).
Also, if you transport your firearms, it can either be a.) from or to shooting range, b.) hunting grounds, or c.) to your job, unloded, locked, ammunition locked separately. Open carry is a whole other story with itâs own set of rules and very strict requirements. Conceled carry ks only permitted to military/intelligence apparatus, i think, and even there not really.
A civilian can only buy handguns, shotguns and hunting rifles, and pelletguns and such (for these you donât need license to a certain Joule range). Everything else is expressely prohibited and there are hefty fines and jail sentences.
Also, I think all law enforcment officers have guns here. Or at least most of them do, traffic cops probably dont. And yet we havenât had a single accidental or intentional victim getting shot by cops in the history of this country. Not even one. There was a murderer in 2000 who was shot to death by police. There was another case of a crazed soldier who killed a policeman. Sorry, should have chrcked better.
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Conflicted emotions⊠but acceptable
Sure, give me a minute to get it all written up
Sorry should have made it clear there being loaned to the museum I will still be the legal owner.
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Well⊠depends. Some reactions of Trump might look like he actually approves it. And the punishment of some police officers were not what I would consider harshâŠ
Is there a provision for weapons collectors/antiques in the UK? Here you can own them, you just need a heirloom/collectors license (of course), a really short course, and you have to take them to a gunsmith to have them disarmed (firing pins & trigger assemblies removed, some parts welded shut etc.)
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Ok, so there is some difference here,
You need no âreasonâ, has a lot to do with our culture and especially the birth of our nation and our previous occupier attempting to restrict arms , as a result the right to keep and bear arms for defense of self and state is a natural right (unless you do something to loose this)
Also you run into this becoming elitism (and veiled racism) where youâre requirements are so complicated and / or expense that only the rich can have access, thatâs not something that would or does go over well
The argument with elitism is fair, but generally itâs quite elite to be a hunter/sport shooter at all. Also, itâs the cheaper then a driverâs license, and nobody is complaining that thatâs elitist.
Edit: Although, these are not really comparable. One is almost a necessity, the other is a hobby/prof. tool if you are a prof. hunter (most of them arenât), or security. In our culture, itâs pretty much expected of you to get a drivers licence. Itâs almost like completing highschool. I thought it a bit stupid when I had to go through the whole ordeal; qite expensive for a 18 year old, not to mention I wonâ t have a car for at least the next 8-10 years (city dweller), also, not terribly environmentally conscious. But oh well, I had no choice. My parents were paying for half, and they told me that if I donât do it at that very moment, they would be paying for none of it. That made me change my mind 
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Federal requirements are 18 for rifle/shotgun and 21 for handgun or âotherâ (some weird categories)
Some states can alter this slightly but thatâs the general rule
Background check is performed
You are checked against the NICS (National Instant Criminal background check System)
This checks for felonyâs, misdemeanor domestic violence, dishonorable discharge, drug usage etc
(There are issues with the system but itâs data entry not that the checks arenât run)
Some states have waiting periods, most donât
Statistics havenât really shown any benefit, itâs mostly a pr thing
In my state the pistol is then âregisteredâ
(It is and it isnât, because years ago they tried to play it off as only a psudo registration and now they fall victims to their own shenanigans)
Congratulations you now own a pistol
You are not allowed to carry it yet, unless you live in a couple states
There are various laws, ranging from transport to magazine capacity, to ammo
You are technically granted a lot of freedom to purchase it relatively easy, but along with it comes the responsibility to follow a myriad of laws various politicians have instituted without understanding anything about guns
Many people get themselves in trouble because they do not seek appropriate training on the law
Itâs an issue Iâm personally torn on,
On the one hand, our country was founded on the notion of personal freedom and liberty, to ârequireâ things flies in the face of a lot of that principle
Personally responsibility, if you canât handle it donât
But also, as someone who works with the general public and guns, I HIGHLY recommend it⊠but REQUIRING stuff has murky history and ways of misuse
I donât see any problem with guns being elitist. Having a yacht is elitist as well, and since nobody on earth needs a yacht for their daily life, thatâs completely accepted. Itâs also elitist to have expensive clothes, expensive cars, expensive hobbies - since everything of that is not required to live a normal life. Itâs okay if people want to spend tons of money on all that, but nobody is angry because not everyone can drive a lamborghini.
Why are weapons any different? You donât need them, so why shouldnât it be expensive to own them?
And, I donât want to dive too deep into politics, but since this is an argument I hear over and over when discussing this topic:
Why does this count as a reason to carry a weapon (after all, meant to hurt someone) but not as one to marry someone of your own sex?
Itâs a serious issue
In California for example, itâs almost impossible to get a carry permit
⊠unless you know a sheriff, or a judge and get on their good side
That shit is bullshit and makes my blood boil
Itâs an argument called âshall issue vs may issueâ
Shall issue states, the law states that they are legally obliged to do XYZ unless you are disqualified because of ABCDE reasons which are listed in the law in black and white
MAY issue state, can decide to not do XYZ for any reason, or just not do it period because they donât want toâŠ
maybe you have a republican sticker on your car in a democratic areaâŠ
Some states (cough California cough) have tried to require training courses that could cost as much as a car
My state as an example of how a lot of gun control has unknown racist undertones
A long time ago, In the early 19th century and black man purchased a pistol to defend himself from the KKK that was terrorizing him and his family
(This was before background checks and government involvement⊠you just bought it)
Well the KKK tried to go after him again, and he justifiably as far as Iâm concerned ventilated a dude
Immediately after there was outrage that a black man had a gun, and they immediately instituted âpistol purchase permitsâ which were required until a few years ago, and technically are still a thing for some transactions
And using the âmay issueâ principle they used this system to make sure the Black and minority population was unarmed
Because the ability to defend oneself shouldnât belong only to the rich or well connected
If it does then that means your life literally has less worth
But we donât have weapons here in Germany, and I donât see my life in any danger. I am able to defend myself without having to shoot someone. The ability to defend oneself shouldnât rely on a gunâŠ
edit: additionally, I do not even have to defend myself, at least not on such a regular base that it would justify a gun^^
Where I was born, itâs worse to defend oneself with a weapon (or at all) then to not defend oneself at all. If someone breaks in, and you stab him because you are scared, you will get charged with either homicide or assault, if you are unable to prove direct and imminent threat to life (property does not count).
There was a case of a trucker who was sleeping at a truckstop in the truckâs cabin. Some guy tried to break in and rob him. The trucker was stronger and beat him up pretty badly (broken arm). The trucker got tried and convicted of assault and battery, because his response was not proportional to the threat.
How one is supposed to decide on a proportional response in the dark just woken up is beyond me⊠although that usually means that if you resort to violence in self defence, you shouldnât be kicking him when heâs on the ground etcâŠ
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No licence or registration if produced before 1939 and muzzle loading or uses an obsolete ignition system i.e. pinafire.
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I disagree with the perspective of âmeant to hurt someoneâ
Itâs function is to fling a chunk of lead at speed, how and why make a lot of difference
I personally carry a firearm, I donât want to hurt someone, I would love to not see a reason to
but I am well aquatinted with the evil of the worldâŠ
once you peek behind the curtain you canât unsee it
Thereâs an element of, knowing what I know, would I ever be able to forgive myself if something happened, and I would have been able to act, but instead I put myself in a position to not be able to
Would I âHurtâ someone that is trying to hurt my loved ones or prevent them from ever seeing me again? Yep
Guns, knives, baseball bats, fists⊠theyâre just tools. They can be as harmless or as deadly as the nutjob behind one decides to be. The reason why guns create such a debate is because, unlike knife fights or melee, you can harm people at a distance - i.e. the victims donât see it coming, or donât get a chance to defend themselves.
Although I will say this: if youâve never shot an AK-47 or a Desert Eagle in your life, youâll probably miss a large cow in a corridor
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Gawd, I canât stand the Deagles popularity, itâs fascinating only from the perspective of
âWow, you really shouldnât haveâ
When your handgun uses a gas and locking lug system you need to rethink some things