Being kept on the fence

[Eriequiet]

@ResetNull

What are experiences in placement of x series outside of hand into the arm?

I’ve done 2 magnets , a xg3 v1 and a v2 magnet
Both with the intention to be used as a lifting magnet… for small screws abs odds and ends
Sensing is definitely not a thing

Both were kinda failures :-/ … I found that the skin and fascia(or at least mine) in the arm is significantly thicker… which means the magnet doesn’t get to the point where it can pull very strong enough that anything could be trusted to not fall off if I sneezed or coughed wrong

I also have 3 chip implants in my arm, a next in my wrist, a xNT and a spark 2 on the underside of my forearm, all 3 are usable, but the spark 2 is pretty picky on read range and location… idk if this is from the chip itself or the thicker skin as mentioned

@ResetNull

What are your experiences when it comes to placement of multiple implants?

I have I think 10 or 11 at the moment all in my left hand / arm

For x series, just think through so alike frequencies aren’t right next to each other… try to make a road map for the future… and pay attention to implant location in regards to how you will present it to a reader

The one below my thumb or in the webbing of my thumb presents very naturally to my laptops usb reader… but would be super awkward to present to a wall reader
The implant on my knife edge(ish) of hand presents great to readers on a wall… but would be awkward for a laptop mounted reader

If you’re going to do multiple x series, just implant them all at the same time,
Healing time is the same between 1 and 6, at least in my case…
It will be far easier to schedule, and probably cheaper as the installer usually gives a price break since he’s already setup and prepped… it only adds a few more minutes per install

@ResetNull

What are your experiences with magnet strength decay and removal and replacement?

Can’t speak to finger magnets as I haven’t done that yet,
But in general the magnets you can get from DT currently should not experience decay
In general magnets only get weaker if they corrode
(Now sealed in glass and laser welded titanium)
Or if they get heated to a point where they loose their magnetism… such as an autoclave

Old magnets had coatings that failed eventually, and the magnets would corrode and break down,

But also… I think I remember reading that the actual sensation seems to dull with time, not the magnet itself

As far as removal, I’ve only have 1 removed… the v1 magnet from my forearm… took the piercer like 10 seconds… and was about the same pain as an install

Flex’s Will be a bit more involved to remove, but still isn’t a huge deal

I think I hit all the points I can speak to with my experience

[ResetNull]

@Eriequiet

I found that the skin and fascia(or at least mine) in the arm is significantly thicker

Yeah I was thinking about getting RFID ones there especially apex when it comes as wireless java cards are kinda sketchy especially when making any task that takes some time as key generation would be pretty bad thing to do if you couldn’t rest it on reader comfortably as movement can induce read errors when pc keeps checking on progress of key generation.

@Eriequiet

It will be far easier to schedule, and probably cheaper as the installer usually gives a price break since he’s already setup and prepped… it only adds a few more minutes per install

That will depend if I go on UNI group where price is quite cheap but we are limited by time we can spend in one sitting and there will be others on the meetups or tattoo shop which is more expensive but there is little to no time limit and on to they are partner so that is also up for them.

@Eriequiet

Or if they get heated to a point where they loose their magnetism… such as an autoclave

That will be a lot dependent on actual quality, N52 means that it is uncategorized and as such should be in working condition under 80 °C which is easily achievable in sauna sure it is temperature of the air but I am unsure how much the heat penetrate the skin and how much it would affect the their power.

Overall thanks for writing about your experiences.

[ZeGerman]

Sauna is no problem, the skin gets barely above 40.
If your skin would reach a temperature anywhere near the critical temperature of a magnet, the magnet loosing it’s magnetism isn’t a problem anymore

[ResetNull]

Yeah overall but I am worried about local heat spikes as finger magnets doesn’t have that much mass around them to disperse heat as rest of the body. So my thoughts have gone towards fingers nor knife edge aren’t that sweat heavy areas as palm for example and the metal requires way less energy to heat up than water which is most of the rest of our body. But if you have repeated experience with 120°C sauna I wont be against your experience.

[Eriequiet]

Didn’t @anon3825968 do some sauna test using an xBT or something?

[enginerd]

@ResetNull

metal requires way less energy to heat up than water

Yes, but the body will keep the temperature of the magnet in check. After all, it will be inside of you and not on the bench.

[Eriequiet]

xBT placement and temperature readings

Just took the mother of all hot saunas: the back passage thermometer reads 41.5C, IR in-ear thermometer reads 40.5C and the xBT also reports 40.5C. So, pretty accurate even in high temperature.

Lol

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@ResetNull

What are your experiences with removal x series vs flex?

The medically defined term for both is

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

I have removed 1 x xSeries 2 x Flex
Simple locate - incision - push/pull - done

X-series tag removal

A properly installed x-series tag rests in the fascia, which is the connective tissue between the dermis and muscle. Removal is a fairly simple process that any general practice doctor should be able to perform in their office. There are two ways to go about removing a tag. Cutting it out with a scalpel, and removing it with a large gauge needle. First we will cover scalpel based removal since this is the procedure that most medical doctors will be comfortable with. Scalpel removal The one ke…

[ResetNull]

@Eriequiet

xBT placement and temperature readings - #29 by Rosco

Lol

Ok that is quite good read.

@Pilgrimsmaster

The medically defined term for both is

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

I have removed 1 x xSeries 2 x Flex
Simple locate - incision - push/pull - done

Interesting I was lead to believe that flex will be worse to remove.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@ResetNull

lead to believe that flex will be worse to remove.

The incision is ~twice the size for Flex, but the Flex also slid out easier, in my experience anyway

[Pilgrimsmaster]

Here is Amals post, with some more info

Failed implant Removal

The doc that put the chip in my right hand in June 2005 tried to remove it 4 months later so we could swap it. He dug around in there for 20 minutes trying to get at it, but the problem for a doc is that these chips are fragile glass things you can’t just grip with forceps and yank out like any other foreign object. That means they have to be coaxed out, and only after carefully cutting open the collagen encapsulation pouch they end up inside of… and that stuff is unforgiving. If you have only …

[ResetNull]

So after years of waiting I chose to make the purchase and few weeks after I get to know that soon™ might be soon™er than I thought after so long. So here we go.

[Eriequiet]

What did you go with?

[ResetNull]

NExT and xSIID and I still have some left to install.

[ResetNull]

So the L0 started peeling pretty much immediately.so at least you have picture from that.

[ResetNull]

2nd day and few hours from implantation wound near to closing.

[ResetNull]

So I have seen that there is very limited information on xG3 versions at same time.

So I got them.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@ResetNull

there is very limited information on xG3 versions at same time

Well, the product page is pretty thorough

Lifting power of the xG3: v1 vs v2

Lifting showdown While the xG3 v1 was designed as a middle of the road injectable lifetime guaranteed magnet implant with utility as both a sensing magnet and lifting magnet, some people care about maximum lifting power only. We designed version 2 of the xG3 exclusively for lifting. How much better at lifting is the xG3 v2? Let’s take a look… The setup This test was done with random samples from the retail inventory. They were ejected from their syringes and adhered to a standard ISO credit car…

regardless, getting both was a good choice

[ResetNull]

Yeah but I can tell You that even now I have quite differing experience. V2 seems to work way better with other magnets while V1 with metalic objects.

[ResetNull]

As I have neither in finger the sensing is minimal. Both cause pulling sensation quite strong while near stronger magnets like other neodymium magnets and small pulling when near big metal objects. The V1 is way more sensitive to change in field as it tries to rotate. It is really interesting feeling.