Drone Warfare Protection, Questions

I did a fair bit of investigation into it to try and work out how it ended up there.
Eyewitness reports of the drone state they view it turning and adjusting its direction, even before it was shot at, and begin chronologically to the north of the target area. The weather was hot and clear with a consistent north-west wind, meaning it was going against the wind direction. It travelled a further 20 minutes along the coastline, having been witnessed above multiple beaches. I find it interesting.

The only implication I can infer is that you believe it was an intentional civilian attack by Ukraine? I mean, that’s also within the realm of “anything is possible”, however unlikely.. unless maybe one of those “civilians” was military or mil-linked target.

I don’t believe stating the facts as it stands imposes any implication, nor am I making such, if it comes across that way I do apologise. I simply find the drones flight path, duration and destination very unusual if Ukraine states their target was 40km north-west of the site the drone ended up.
I am also interested in how severely inaccurate or different in structure a drone could possibly be if on one hand we have an accident occurring so far from the target and the other hand you can chase someone around a small vegetable stall with one. It appears that the long-range drones could have catastrophic consequences to their use.

My original statement is that Ukraine and Russia are just as bad as each other, using such peculiar methods seems less of an all-out war and more of a sick game between a bully with a bunch of rocks and a kid in a treehouse with a bag of stones. Both are taking damage, but no one gains any upper hand and there’s never-ending collateral damage.

I agree, anything seems possible.. even a covert drone mission to assassinate a specific target on a beach then lie about the intended target.

Oddly that’s how a lot of modern wars and conflicts actually end.. basically a stalemate that fizzles into a negotiation. The “old days” of complete and total obliteration of your entire empire ending with the wholesale slaughter of every living man, woman, and child (and sometimes pets, goats, livestock, etc.) seems to be over.. so.. progress?

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I suppose you could call it that, it was only 80 years ago that we required a whole lot of artillery, ammunition and manpower just to cross enemy lines, now we have a guy in a shed attaching propellers to an explosive and just flying it over the border. :confounded_face:

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Well. Yes, but no. The Germans used to send drones flying at the British all the time. They were just ALOT dumber, they basically pointed them across the channel and let 'er rip, till the fuel ran out and it fell where it fell.

War, All War.. is waste. The dumbest most counterproductive idiotic task humankind has ever embarked on.

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yet produces some of the biggest leaps in human technology and capability.. the duality of man. porn and war are statistically the drivers of rapid technological advancement. though, i guess i am also implying that technological advancement is “good”.. perhaps not.. perhaps it’s just a consequence.

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does it? How much capability did we gain in WWI? Did it make up for the lost human capital? An entire class of Oxford being wiped out? Aldous Huxley was one of a few that survived from that class because he had bad eyesight. How many others in that class were there that could have contributed to humanity as he did?

Do you not think that if we took the money and effort we put into making weapons we couldn’t do better?

Don’t forgot that Curtis LeMay said if the USA had lost WWII we would have been charged with war crimes. War is hell and targeting civilians is never OK but if they get in the way of a military target then I don’t know any military that will abort a mission to avoid the possibility of harm to them. I think that it is totally acceptable to say that between combatants, the one that is most in line with our values gets the pass; that is what you are seeing when people are telling you that you are wrong. In war we can say ‘these murderers are worse than those ones’.

This outlines the fundamental lack of understanding most people have about human nature. Of course I think the money and effort we put into making weapons could have produced better.. but we didn’t, and we don’t.. and we won’t.. it’s the same concept behind “necessity is the mother of invention”. Of course people could, but people simply don’t without the proper “motivation”.

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I don’t misunderstand anything about human nature, I just don’t want to glorify war as some sort of technology enabler. It is always a net loss and not a gain.

It’s not glorified, it’s just reality. Net gain or net loss isn’t really relevant.. net against what? Bad things happen.. good things happen.. nobody’s keeping score because there’s isn’t really a scoreboard no matter how badly we want there to be one.

Net against what could have been acheived without it. War is destruction. Think of it this way: would any period of our modern history have had more technology development if we had WWII going on in it? Would we have developed the internet or gone to the moon if were fighting a total war during those times? Sure, we made the ENIAC during WWII, but we got the Apple II in the 70s without a war, so its pretty obvious that the technology was developed despite war, not because of it, and was oriented towards war’s goals and not for consumers. I just can’t see how killing off tens of millions of people and spending entire economic outputs on blowing things up can be a win for anything over those people being alive and that money going to non-destructive uses. We would just make more, better technology that way.

Don’t forget about the loss of human capacity that’s lost to totalitarian regimes, even before those start wars against slightly freer nations.

And to the cultures that created those authoritarian regimes… Those don’t rise up in a vacuum. People start losing freedom to their peers and irrationality way before the dictators get voted in…

I guess that war puts pressure on society to ease the pressure and allow the creative types to invent new stuff, but it also throws a lot of diamonds in the rough into a meat grinder.

Noted, in case of war, I’ll intentionally flunk the eye exam… Provided, I see more potential in the nonconformists who refuse to allow society to determine who they are allowed to be. But I’m that guy who’s disappointed with the product of MIT. Quod natura non dat, Salmantica non praestat after all.

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Interestingly, or not, he died the same day as C.S. Lewis, John F Kennedy and J.D. Tippit plus approximately another 100,000 people…