EM410x Couldn't identify a chipset

I am trying to know what chipset this card is using , it doesnt respond to t5 , its an em asit shows but cant identify the chipset , is there any command to find the chipset ?

this is the results i get

[usb] pm3 → lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags…
[=]
[+] EM 410x ID 400054D637
[+] EM410x ( RF/64 )
[=] -------- Possible de-scramble patterns ---------
[+] Unique TAG ID : 02002A6BEC
[=] HoneyWell IdentKey
[+] DEZ 8 : 05559863
[+] DEZ 10 : 0005559863
[+] DEZ 5.5 : 00084.54839
[+] DEZ 3.5A : 064.54839
[+] DEZ 3.5B : 000.54839
[+] DEZ 3.5C : 084.54839
[+] DEZ 14/IK2 : 00274883466807
[+] DEZ 15/IK3 : 000008592714732
[+] DEZ 20/ZK : 00020000021006111412
[=]
[+] Other : 54839_084_05559863
[+] Pattern Paxton : 1080628279 [0x40691437]
[+] Pattern 1 : 12708540 [0xC1EABC]
[+] Pattern Sebury : 54839 84 5559863 [0xD637 0x54 0x54D637]
[+] VD / ID : 064 / 0005559863
[+] Pattern ELECTRA : 16384 5559863
[=] ------------------------------------------------

[+] Valid EM410x ID found!

[=] Couldn’t identify a chipset
[usb] pm3

other cards it can identify the chipset like this one

[usb] pm3 → lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags…
[=]
[+] EM 410x ID 0000B255B6
[+] EM410x ( RF/64 )
[=] -------- Possible de-scramble patterns ---------
[+] Unique TAG ID : 00004DAA6D
[=] HoneyWell IdentKey
[+] DEZ 8 : 11687350
[+] DEZ 10 : 0011687350
[+] DEZ 5.5 : 00178.21942
[+] DEZ 3.5A : 000.21942
[+] DEZ 3.5B : 000.21942
[+] DEZ 3.5C : 178.21942
[+] DEZ 14/IK2 : 00000011687350
[+] DEZ 15/IK3 : 000000005089901
[+] DEZ 20/ZK : 00000000041310100613
[=]
[+] Other : 21942_178_11687350
[+] Pattern Paxton : 13013942 [0xC693B6]
[+] Pattern 1 : 7915583 [0x78C83F]
[+] Pattern Sebury : 21942 50 3298742 [0x55B6 0x32 0x3255B6]
[+] VD / ID : 000 / 0011687350
[+] Pattern ELECTRA : 0 11687350
[=] ------------------------------------------------

[+] Valid EM410x ID found!

[+] Chipset detection: EM4x05 / EM4x69
[?] Hint: try lf em 4x05 commands

Sounds like it’s an EM chip…

It’s probably an EM chip. Still, making sure that there’s good coupling between the Promax and the tag might give you slightly more positive results.

Edit now that I’m actually awake:

The EM4305 and EM4205 chipsets have very similar functionality to the T5577. So you can write a different ID to it if you want.

Chances are that the first fob that the Promax if failing to detect a chipset on is a plain and simple EM4100 with a fixed ID.

In other words, the fob most likely has a EM4100 so the Promax isn’t detecting a chipset that can emulate it.

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so there is no command or some way to find out exactly what chipset ist !!

You might start with trying lf em 4x05 info

What is your end-goal here? Are you trying to clone something to it?

didnt get any info from first card , the other one shows fine ,

[=] No previous history could be loaded
[usb] pm3 → lf em 4x05 info
[usb] pm3 → lf em 4x05 info
[usb] pm3 → lf em 4x05 info

[=] — Tag Information ---------------------------
[+] Chip type… EM4305
[+] Serialno… 5E135388
[+] Block0… 00040072
[+] Cap type… 330pF ( 3 )
[+] Custum code… default ( 512 )

I need to have same card for one access system , and i am unable to recognize it

I see, I didn’t realize you were working with multiple cards

So you are trying to clone something?

at first i didnt know they are different cards , but when i was testing and it didnt work then i found out they are not the same ,

i need to have same exact card so it will work in the system , ( i mean same chipset ) not cloning ,
so i ordered those em cards but they didnt work

why? the em4305, the underlying chip is an emulator chip, it’s emulating an em4100 with a chosen ID. why do you specifically need em4305, ordering em4305 doesn’t mean they’ll work with your system unless they’re encoded to work with the system.

if your system utilises the em4305 cascade past the initial ID being emulated (ergo storing more in the memory) they would be custom encoded and may have a password enabled

please provide more details about your situation as well as photos of the card and the device you use to add cards to the system and the readers on the wall.

also why can’t you buy more cards from the system manufacturer?

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no , the system totally doesnt recognize that a card has been tapped , and its not limited on the manufacturer, i have an old card which is being recognized , but still the results i get is ( couldnt identify the chipset )
so its not encoded , but still i dont know whats the different between this 2 cards , thats why i am asking if there is any other command that i can use to identify it .

or could be the chip uses less power than the other one , maybe

Which of the two cards is the one that works with the system?

the first one with (Couldn’t identify a chipset ) EM 410x ID 400054D637

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It’s an EM4100. You can clone it to a T5577 and it’ll probably work.

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