Help please. Can anyone tell me what kind of tag this is?

You have done all the correct things.

Looks like you will be in the market for a NExT or xEM…

Not all blue cloners are made equally, especially the antenna. It should have read a Fob easily enough though, Try taking the cover off the blue cloner and trying again.
Also I believe sometimes, you can get false negatives, so it may read and write correctly, but just appears like it hasn’t…

Somebody recently had the same key fob, I am pretty sure it is HID
I am trying to remember the Logo Name

ZKTeco is a knock off I Think…
I will put up a picture of the Logo, SOMEBODY will recognize it

This may be a decent place to start

Someone here a few weeks ago was trying to figure out the same thing. Unfortunately, seems like all their tags look identical.

@Pilgrimsmaster Not sure if this is the thread you were thinking of or not

@Pilgrimsmaster Not sure if this is the thread you were thinking of or not

YES Thank You


I was having a brainfart

For sure. I’m trying to see if there’s a way to find the tag model off the first four of the serial, All three models linked in the above thread look the same, and I’m not sure if there’s any other way to tell them apart. Of the three linked, only the PSK3 was LF, but who knows what else they offer.

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HERE is a link to Amal using a blue cloner, They no longer sell it, and they are not really reccomemded - they put a password on your implant, which “locks” it, but it can be removed, but you need a Proxmark to do that. ( have a read through THIS )
I understand for the price, a blue cloner is a tempting option.
Not to say you cant use your one, but if you take your Blue cloner apart and it still cant read your fob, you may have one of the cloners that can’t do HID, Which is what I think your Fob is.
So you have a few options
Try your Blue cloner again ( You should get 3 beeps for successful read)
Buy another blue cloner from a “Reputable” source, that has been proven to work, we can help you find one if you go down that path.
What I would actually recommend would be a ProxMark

So you have spent ~$20 on cloner, you could spend another ~$20 for another one that SHOULD work.
Or you could get a Proxmark, of which there are a couple of options, which vary in price, quite dramatically.
@anon2520759 found one for Some help sussing out this Proxmark3 Easy for $50 on AliExpress.
You can also get them on Amazon / ebay ( just search through this forum and you will find some links)
Proxmark Easy are pretty much the entry level Version, which is all you should really need if you only plan to read / write on occasion ( The dont have the best antenna for xSeries implants, but they do work)
The Proxmark3 RDV4 is the industry standard, but this is probably excessive, u less you plan to do alot of reading/ writing/ cloning/ emulating etc and are around the $300 mark

Thanks pilgrim looks like that’s it. Weird that my cloner will read my NExT but not my key fob.

Sounds like it is the version that only reads EM ( which is the NExT - xEM default mode ), not the EM / HID version.

You will have to ask @ThexTallxDude if his is capable of HID, but here is his link

Your other option is, Let us know where you are :earth_americas: , there MAY be another community member nearby with a Proxmark, that could help you out

The only thing I’ve messed with is my work fob( 3xLOGIC infinias tag) which was not an HID tag. The documentation says it it does HID, and a few of the reviews claim it can. Seems it only works with some HID tags though.

Sorry I couldn’t be more help @darkdragon885

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These fobs cannot be cloned with a blue cloner or likely any other cloner on the market… I can’t seem to find it now but there was a thread here that detailed copying one of these fobs… you need a proxmark3 and likely need to use the dump / restore commands because as far as I know, not even the current iceman fork or RRG firmware for the proxmark3 can properly decode this fob… but it should be able to dump and restore to a T5577.

Apologies @darkdragon885, my mistake, I was not aware.
looks like you are in the market for a Proxmark, or a meet up with a community member.
and Thanks @amal
The Godfather has spoken ( time for another logo showing )


Hey guys,

The thread you’re thinking of was mine on cloning my gym fob

@amal’s summary is correct, even a Proxmark can’t decode it and you’ve got basically no chance with any cloner you can get off the shelf. At least the most recent ones are a T5577 under the hood (not sure about older ones, may have been a custom chip)

If yours is a T5577 then a Proxmark can dump and restore it to a xEM or NExT, but theres no real way to tell this for sure without spending the money.

Good luck! Annoying little tags!


Well thanks for all of the help everyone. Guess I’ll try to find someone near Detroit that has a proxmark and try that.


hahah! Though, I think I’d prefer;


This is the way


Fair enough.
How good was the opening sequence of the final episode?
except for SpoilerQuinn dying incase you haven’t seen it



That gag was so dumb it was great


You on a bit of a Mandalorian binge @amal? :laughing:

Though I though it was a cracking show, and I’m not even really a star wars fan. Preferred Star Trek… Voyager… Okay Seven-of-Nine!! I was young!!

@Aemun m8, that’s blasphemy! Star Trek!!!

To be honest the last week or so I’ve been running Star Trek from NetFlix everynight in the background.

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Me too… while mando was a good show, it’s still classic Star Wars fluff bullshit. I believe the fundamental philosophical and moral differences between Star Wars and Star Trek can be summed up thusly…

oh yeah, spoilers…

  • Mandalorian, Chapter 4 (Sanctuary); Mando & Cara help peasant villagers “rise up” and fight an AT-ST Raider… but before that, Cara talks about how a single AT-ST took out tons of trained rebel soldiers in her unit… in modern terms, it would be like pitting infantry soldiers with machine guns against what amounts to a M1 Abrams tank… a bloodbath with no point… but somehow they “train the villagers” in a montage that could have realistically only covered 24-48 hours at most… lots of great training there guys… and then of course they win with a novel strategy of what? Digging a hole… as if this is something a massive walker from the Star Trek universe couldn’t simply scan and walk over or around, or just stand there blasting the shit out of everyone. It’s feel-good bullshit fluff that is fun to watch, but ultimately is a story-line that is so recurrent in popular culture that it innundates people over and over again with the idea that you can overcome overwhelming odds with no resources if you “just believe”… and when real people take this attitude into the real world and inevitably fail, over and over, they become convinced it’s because they suck and get depressed about life… why can everyone else do all the things and I have such a hard time? Well because life is full of impossible, overwhelming challenges… some you can pick away and at eventually win, but some must be navigated around, or simply given up on. In a Star Trek world, you’d set off and walk straight up Mount Everest with hardly any training and no gear and after a few struggles you’d summit, all because you just “tried hard”. It’s fluff bullshit and a terrible philosophy for life… yet kids grow up on this stuff… integrate it into their identities… it’s just bad.

  • Star Trek TNG, S3:E2 The_Ensigns_of_Command; Humanoids inhabit a planet that is not theirs to inhabit, and an alien comes to wipe them off it. For their own safety, Data tries to convince them to leave, but the villagers want to “rise up” and “fight”. Star Trek doesn’t play that shit… they don’t come up with a magic space hole for the aliens to fall into, Data has to basically risk his own existence to convince them they will die if they don’t leave. I won’t go into such a diatribe here, but ultimately Data has to get murdered, rise from the dead, and start destroying all the things the villagers are clinging on to… mainly an aqueduct… but the point is, this episode is about hard truths and hard choices. This is what life is really like, and in general the show was an excellent philosophical and moral compass for a growing lad like me.

rant over.