Hi, im new here :)

Wut? Why did you throw away Jirvin? :joy:

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Ouch poor @Jirvin !! I’m in the hospital, but that must have hurt hahah

Basically Apex will be useful for otp applications as well as PC login (it’s in the works now a la @fraggersparks )


I’m sorry @Jirvin, your advice is very good, and the NExT is a good solution.

However for OTP, and various other authentication options the Vivokey Apex is a much better solution. For access systems combining it with a FlexMT (Magic 1 and T5577 combo) would have you covered for almost any situation.

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Hi all,

Thank you very much for the responses!

So, to reply:

@Jirvin Firstly thank you for the explanation and information about these chips, they were very helpful to my understanding :slight_smile: About the nfc thing that you werent sure what i meant, i was meaning like cloning an already owned nfc cards numbers such as a train or bus card to the chip.

@Zwack Thank you for the help with the alternative chip :slight_smile: . i had had a quick look at that chip before however i primarly had two concerns with it, firstly being the price as it is quite expensive however obviously depending on how good they turn out to be and my financial situation at the time would help make my decision. My second concern would be would this be too overkill with my needs. For example what would this do better for me for otp vs the NExT?

Thank you very much! :smiley:

@Jirvin - the DT numbing gel is great for burns :slightly_smiling_face:


The Vivokey Apex price is not going to be the same as the beta price listed on the DT website.

You can check out the applet list and see what you think.

Here is a picture of an unencapsulated Apex flex. If you really want the latest information then joining the DT Club keeps you pretty up to date.

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Ah cool okay, ill wait and see when it comes out :slight_smile:


The NExT can not do OTP

Ohh i didnt know. How about xDF2, can that do otp?

Nope. Youre gonna want an Apex if you want OTP :slightly_smiling_face:

Since were talking about OTP, is the OTP capable of replacing an app like google auth which is TOTP or are the two incompatible?

That depends on how the app is written. TOTP requires a time source. I am assuming that the app is going to be able to get a current time from the host system, so in that case, yes.

@fraggersparks would be the person to ask.

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Correct. It’s TOTP standard. Time source comes from the NFC device. We reskinned Yubico’s open source authenticator and changed the AID it talks to.


Hi New Here, I’m dad.


So after all the help from all yall, im hoping to get the apex when it comes out.However i would most realistically put this in my arm which is all cool. However i would also like to have something in my hand.

So the two ive been looking at are the next and the spark2. My question is, what is the difference between these two?

I would preferably like to do card cloning which i know would be specific to the card and 2fa, which i read is probably going to have to be done a cold storage type of way. Which is fine for me. Also the url popup/ NDEF i would like but they can both do that.

So anyways, what would be the best for this use? Is there any reason to get the spark2 over the next?


That’s a good location for it, just consider if / when the Apex is approved for payments, presenting your arm to a terminal may be more difficult than a hand…

Quite a lot actually, the list of what is similar is shorter
High Frequency,NFC and ISO14443A

Otherwise, the chips and purposes are very different.

For your situation
No, I would recommend the NExT implant for your Hand and the Apex for your arm.

Thank you very much!

Actually, to be frank i dont think i would use the apex for contactless payments so that should be okay :slight_smile:

Im wondering does the spark2 have any card advantage over the next, ie it can clone more card types? or they are just basically the same? Thanks :slight_smile:

No, However they could both be used to enroll on a compatible access system, Both have unchangable HF chips and that is really where the similarity ends.

The Spark2

Your Crypto bionic Identity…What does that mean???

The NExT

2in1 implant
HF and LF
HF - NDEF datasets ( Links, business cards, text … ) Check out TagWriter and NFC tools for examples
LF - T5577 emulator chip, you can clone MOST other LF chips to it
More on the LF Chip HERE

Check out the product page for more Info

I still standby my suggestion to you, if you are going to get an Apex, there is no reason to get a Spark EXCEPT if you want one for a backup.

If I was already getting an Apex, and I had to choose between either a Spark OR a NExT Implant
I would choose the NExT every day of the week

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Okay, Thank you very much for the explanation! i think i will do that :slight_smile:

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Hey, anyone know of how to find an implanter in northwest area, uk?

Ive gone on local body mod sites but all seem to not do implants now :frowning:

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