Implant Installation Question

I mean, there’s a group of BETA testers that have been working with the previous generation chip since mid 2018. All of them are familiar with it. They just primarily stick to the Vivokey forums with that stuff. This is the Dangerous Things forum after all, and the Apex will not be a DT product.

The Apex can run JavaCard applications, so anyone who does development for those would also be very familiar with the platform. You can buy them pretty easily online (though they’re more expensive than conventional LF & HF test cards)


Come Monday, hopefully I can lurk there for a hot minute like I did here.

Ok so I installed the NeXT today in the right hand, original plan being to have the xLED next to it.

After the NeXT it feels as though it is more in the centre than i expected, possibly not leaving a good 5mm gap for xLED so I didn’t do the 2nd implant today.

Could you possibly give you best educated guess based on this picture as to whether or not it should be ok, and where the entry point, orientation should be for the xLED.


P.S The Paint skills are strong with this one…


Since it is a fresh install, can you move it under the skin to where you want it? If you can move it, strap it down, let it heal and implant your xLED when it has healed.
Could you take another photo with:-
your hand on a flat surface
Thumb Parallel with fingers
Use the Paint skill with full effect to mark the position of
The NExT
Bone locations

Then another Photo
Still with hand flat but with Thumb to 90° (Perpendicular) and NExT and Bones Marked

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The bones are the black dotted marker. when taking from these position rather than a relaxed position. it actually seemed closer to the bone when touching it than before.

@Scruffoon Sorry for the delay, I asked for the photo’s 20hrs ago and just left you hanging. image

So realistically, only you will be able to tell ( Or your piercer )

Remember this is purely just my opinion

but looking at the photos, It looks to me, that your #0 Position would be viable for another implant alongside it ( you already know about the 5mm minimum )


I have seen the :orange_circle: entry being used by Professional piercers, I will have a look on youtube for an example for you

Here is one :syringe: :point_right:

I am puely guessing here
A question was asked about the orientation of the LED on the xSIID, and I dont know if this applies to the xLED also, Long story short, they were SUPPOSED to be “LED exit the syringe first”, but the assembly company failed to adhere to Amals instructions. If you want to read about that HERE is the link

I’m actually curious is there a way I can figure out what side of my tag is the rfid and nfc. Do they just drop them in the needles or they tend to have what side is up

I don’t know the answer to this, my guess would be placed in whatever orientation they come.
My reason for this guess, I shouldn’t really matter which orientation they have in your hand.

What side of my NExTis the LF - xEM and HF - xNT?
I haven’t tested this an is purely theoretical ( I am expecting somebody to pull this apart ) but here goes anyway.

Looking at the below ( Speculation )
LF on the Left / HF on the Right ( Looks like longer antenna winding on the left one, therefore LF )

I assume you didn’t look at your NExT before or when you implanted it.
The LF should have a longer read range BUT, It is really going to depend on the reader you use. I would recommend a Proxmark because you can have measured results.
Do you have access to Foil tape, otherwise some tinfoil and tape may do it.
Locate your NExT, do a read of both HF / LF with Proxmark, Record the results.
Then cover 67% of the implant with the Foil, and try a read,

Note the end and result figures, Then cover the other half and repeat.

Compare the results, and you SHOULD HOPEFULLY be able to work it out.

I can’t guarantee this will work, but it would be my first attempt to work it out

I have similar questions about the xSIID, which side the LED is :thinking:

A question was asked about the orientation of the LED on the xSIID, and , Long story short, they were SUPPOSED to be “LED exit the syringe first”, but the assembly company failed to adhere to Amals instructions on some of them, but MOST are. So you will either have to inspect or play the odds I am afraid.

If you want to read about that HERE is the link

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Interesting, thanks :slight_smile: you are like a human index of this forum! :stuck_out_tongue:


You are welcome, I have just read a lot.

GEEZ, I just had a look… kinda sad, but Discourse says I have spent
12 DAYS reading, as in 288 hours…

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Oh wait no really. Let’s say you put the xsiid in right. What if the led is facing down towards your muscle. It won’t be as bright if it was facing up. Curious if anyone has had an issues like that. Or would this even be a problem.

Yeah… 12 days worth :open_mouth:

LOL, you did it again just as I am clicking send you take the words out of my mouth :stuck_out_tongue:

Admittedly I have apparently spent like 21 hrs reading, and I have only been a member 12 days…

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It is end facing not side facing… standby
Shouldn’t be an issue, unless you insert it into the muscle, and THAT is a whole other problem


That is some good figures right there, ~2hrs a day :+1:

I’m only at ~1hr per day

also This image is a good one for your Tattoo question from a few days ago, How to “show off” “Frame” your LED Tattoo


Amal did tell me with the xLEDs specifically that there’s no way to tell which end is which. Toss of the coin!


Cool, Thanks for the Info

Thank you for the help on this @Pilgrimsmaster !!

I will see how it settles in the coming weeks before deciding whether to implant the xLED or wait until the Apex is out and try fit it into the left hand.

This was not done by a piercer, but instead my old man helped me out (not recommended I know, but with COVID at the moment didnt want to go an external shop).

Thanks again mate!

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My guy went in through the orange spot. Worked well… He owns a few (4? I think?) body-mod shops and has done quite a few of these. I didn’t think to ask why, since I would have went in from the other side.