I actually LOL’d
I also like to watch cats eat carrots 
If you get stuck, you know where to ask
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Yeah… the NeXT was first and like a bad bee sting… it’s not nice but not bad. Then the guy pulls out the xLED lol… The look on his face said it all. He said it’s about the same as a skin punch for an anchor. It didn’t hurt as much as I thought. . The funny thing was my right hand was next in line and the Vivo key hurt the most. He kinda man handled my skin . So in all not as bad as you think. Once it’s done, it’s done.
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One thing to consider is that the xEM chip in the NExT can be used with a ton of common access control systems. Every employer I’ve ever worked for has used HID cards for office, lab & building access and my apartment building does too. For $20, it’s a great long-term investment since HID/EM systems are so common and will be in use for years to come.
If you really can’t afford it right now, it’s well worth waiting a couple weeks until you can imo. You only have so much hand real estate, so a 2-in-1 is definitely preferable since I can almost guarantee you won’t stop after the xNT & xLED.
I use the xEM side of my NExT for building & elevator access in my apartment building and the xNT holds a digital business card (vCard) with my cell, fax, email, website, LinkedIn, etc. on it.
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i’ve been considering that, but i did a check at my school, and the chips in our IDs don’t seem to use RFID or NFC.
thinking about future use in office buildings, though… hmmmmmm…
anymore info? photos of access panels/card readers? photos of cards?
I guessing you tried an access card on taginfo app on your phone?
definitely think about future…
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these are the main readers around my college.
also, i did some more research, and realized that just because my phone couldn’t read it, doesn’t mean my ID doesn’t have RFID. honestly, it probably does.
before i make my order i’m going to ask the security staff here about making a copy of my ID chip onto another, and if they confirm then i’ll definitely lean towards the NExT.
I wouldn’t bother, especially out of the blue… Typically these guys know nothing about this stuff and just assume “Making a copy is impossible because then why would we use it”. We all know it’s not true, at least in some cases. And by asking, now you are on their radar… Now if you make friends with them a little bit, then down the road start asking questions, you might get somewhere.
A quick search and I couldn’t find any references to that first Siemens reader. The second one is super generic so no idea what it is.
You need some biohacking tools!
Where abouts are you? Maybe you can find a fellow biohacker to scan your card with a proxmark.
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Just so we don’t perpetuate the common myth: NFC is a protocol over RFID… “NFC” and “RFID” are not mutually exclusive. There are high frequency and low frequency tags. They are both RFID. Some HF tags support NFC, others don’t. LF tags have their own set of types and protocols.
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This would actually mean, it is a good chance that it is a Low frequency 125kHz card.
HOWEVER… before we count our 
I looked up Siemens and there is conflicting information on frequencies.
I did find they definately use
13.56MHz
ISO 15693, MIFARE classic (ISO 14443 A)
that’s how Siemens wrote it…
But I would have thought the TagInfo app would have read this…
Did you try holding the access card
- On the back of phone
- with NFC turned on
- Screen turned on
- Running TagInfo read
- Moving slowly/ placing card on different orientations, particularly perpendicular to the NFC antenna ( google your make and model for NFC antenna) or check out this WIKI
I did find mention of 125kHz and EM4100, (which is compatible with LF side of NExT), but nothing concrete; more hearsay and conjecture which would make sense if
Siemens used to use 125kHz in their older tech, which you could be dealing with.
- Next for you my friend, I would suggest you try the TagInfo steps above if you haven’t already.
- Like @turbo2ltr said Let us know what City you are in, There might be somebody nearby that can help you out with a Proxmark.
- Again agree with @turbo2ltr Start being friendly with the security staff (but not in a creepy stalker way)
- Try and get you hands on a spare access card ( or “loose” yours get a replacement, and send your “lost” card to one of us for analysis)
- make enquiries, as to what system is in use
- If you were smart about it you could do both
- “Oh Noooo I’ve lost my card, could I please get a replacement… sorry to be such a pain. NOW TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THIS SECURITY SYSTEM WORKS”
- or a variation there of…
You could buy a Dangerous things RFID diagnostic card, but really if you were going to spend money on that, you might as well buy the NExT and get one for free included.
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Just an eFax for my mortgage business lol. It’s really unfortunate that every lender (and my older clients) still uses them. I mean they have a high failure rate AND they make everything blurry? The world needs to let that technology die.
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I’m 99% sure those readers are LF. One similar to the first one was used for lab access at one of my old jobs and my apartment building and a previous employer used the 2nd one. All of them used Proxcard II, which can be cloned to an xEM.
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COUGH getaNExT COUGH
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Hi,
I am going to jump in this Pilgrimsmaster, I had the NeXt implanted last week, the RIFD works fine through my building access. The NFC part, Do you have details on holds a digital business card (vCard) with my cell, !!!fax!!! , email, website, LinkedIn, etc working.
I was able to get my IPhone to read the NFC before chip implanted, however now my Iphone does not seem to read it. Any ideas why?
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SO a couple of things,
Turbo will jump in if I don’t say anything.
So to quote him; literally
Basically for simplicity,
RFID = 13.56 MHz High frequency (Including NFC)
RFID = 125 kHz Low Frequency ( Including 134kHz- xBT & xHT {Amal has said 134kHz but DT Website says 125kHZ either way it’s Low Frequency} )
RFID = there are many Others, but these are the MAIN two WE deal with
Now that’s out the way
That is strange!!!
I saw in your post in the other thread you took it out to read.
Now that it is under your skin, and you are effectively a water balloon, there will be a bit of signal loss. So now it is important to find the sweet spot.
I would suggest as you have an iPhone and you know it works ( or at least did ), use your same phone initially and the same App, but make sure you have your phone positioned with the top edge (I believe) perpendicular over the NExT and push down as far as comfortable.
Check out THIS thread for antenna and Phone info…
If this doesnt work, Test with a compatiable Android phone ( same link as above )
Let us know how this goes
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that’s all a good idea, thank you!! and thank you so much for your patience with me, i bet you can tell i’m not the most technologically advanced :^)
i think it’ll be worth it!!
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Yeah mate, you won’t regret it, Hand space can be limited, so a 2 for 1 is always a good option.
It saves having to take one out to put a different one in later.
That’s what the forum is about, free sharing of knowledge, and Turbo has a lot to share
We all have to learn from somewhere
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also sorry for the multiple responses (i’m on mobile rn so i’m not even going to bother trying to format this right :^/) but i go to school in Detroit.
regarding security, i’ve got an old ID card from last year that no longer works with our door locks, so i know they do something weird to allow access. i’ll have to look into it further, but even if i never program my NExT for this campus, it could still be useful for future homes and/or workplaces!
Exactly, 125 is older , cheaper and less secure technology BUT it is everywhere and will be for years to come…
Did they re-issue everybody “new”/ different cards?
Is there a possibility the system is the same?
anyway
Detroit there is nobody on the wiki, nor any enthusiasts on the partner map, there is a possibility somebody may read this and give you a hand.
Another option if you can part with your card for “a week???” maybe during holidays??? you could look at DT cloning service, which means they will clone your card onto your NExT and send it out to you “programmed” and you can, implant it and you will be good to go, job done
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