Nah, they seemed very, very bothered by “sharp edges” and “not polished to a mirror finish”.
Sounds a lot like marketing then 
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This is a flag for me, I don’t think anything else has a safe or as safe coating unless it’s an xg3
So to not want to install a titan because of xyz nitpick… but to be ok installing a titanium nitride magnet? That’s sus
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To clarify, I don’t know what the other magnet is. It was @ThePolishedTurd who had mentioned titanium nitride, saying they may have confused it. But the magnet they carry is an injectable coated in parylene c.
Also, damn! I never looked at the xg3 until now, and that’s pretty snazzy lookin’ too.
If you’re near Texas I highly recommend Pineapple. He does some fantastic work and installed my Titans which have healed up quite nicely.
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Parylene is known to develop cracks over the years
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That was kinda my point… I haven’t heard of anything beyond the titan or the xg3 that hasn’t been having encapsulation failure
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Thank you for the recommendation. I’ll definitely do that if I’m in the area next time I need an install. (I presume you mean at Shaman Mods, yes?)
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Yikes! Good to know, and looks like I dodged a bullet on that one. Definitely don’t want that happening in me, especially with the kind of nonsense I get up to. Thank you for the link showing the results of of that.
Just to nuance a bit. Parylene is not the worst. If done well it will last for years and for a long time that was about as good as you could get for m31’s.
(I’ve had a couple for almost 5 years now and they are doing just fine). While still being less dense than titanium it can be applied thinner than silicone which are both good argument. The last thing is that it’s obviously cheaper than machined titanium.
When we say the Titan is better it’s because it will last over a lifetime while parylene will last 10-20 years but neither are scams or low standard 
Also this is interesting they have those. Afaik there’s no big supplier for those. My guess is they have a leftover stock and struggle to sell it due to the titan coming out. That would explain the situation too.
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I’ve been on this forum for a while including when the TiTAN was first launched, I dont recall anybody being refused an install of one.
At least not reported here.
I also don’t recall anybody having to remove a TiTAN due to safety concerns.
Were they cassox magnets by chance?
I think sending a DM to @Amal with the piercers information would be a good next step, so he can personally speak to the piercer and potentially put any concerns to rest, and then you could go back for an install.
I appreciate both the insight, and your nuance. Also, yes, definitely not mass produced, they’re no longer even made by the person who made them. Your theory of why definitely seems like a possibility.
Not cassox, no.
My parylene magnets have been implanted 10 years ago and are still fine AFAIK.
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My artist was reluctant of installing it because of its size and my relatively small fingers - so yeah, that’s something I can understand. Placement can be tricky, and if it doesn’t fit, it makes no sense to try it at all. Arnulf said he was willing to try it, but I had to clearly state that I was aware of a high-ish risk of rejection. It all went fine, but like I said, that is some really understandable concern.
But he even said how much he liked the idea of the Titan, the perfect and durable and implant-grade coating and all that, so I have no clue what the abovementioned artist had to criticise…
I didn’t check the grade of the titanium before, but I trust Amal when he says it’s implant grade - I wouldn’t do that for many other companies, but DT has gained my trust
And as for the edges, like I said it’s a tight fit for me, and the edges are no problem at all.
This seems a little… fishy. Maybe he’s just more comfortable working with the magnets he knows, maybe he has made good experiences with them, but maybe he just wants to sell more of his own magnets. Dunno, and I don’t want to do your artist any wrong.
Mine sells the (silicone coated) Haworth magnets and usually uses them, but he openly admitted that a titanium coating might be a much better, though much more expensive, idea.
But ultimately and after all
This.
I hope you’ll find an artist who is willing to install your Titan 
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Oh, thats my bad, I wasnt very clear, I meant refused install due to the safety of the TiTAN as a product.
Yeah, that’s what I wanted to point out as well - there might be reasons for not getting a Titan in your finger, but it’s definitely not the product safety. The size, maybe, but the safety definitely not.
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Unfortunately it’s not just that the parylene was applied correctly, they also must be handled appropriately the entire time between manufacture and installation. Parylene C is usually used for this, and it is a monomer. It’s applied in a vacuum at high velocity, typically in layers. The monomer particles are jagged and rough, and ram together like forcing a bunch of puzzle pieces to stick together by crushing them into a ball rather than laying them out carefully. This is all fine, and works well enough, but only if nothing comes along to press on the haphazardly constructed mass with much force. Once you do, it will crack and crumble as each individual particle is jostled around.
Parylene coating was designed and developed for protecting components on PCBs that don’t encounter any force at all, but need protection against the elements (moisture, dirt, etc). For PCBs that do encounter forces (like in rockets or military jets), a different coating is used. This was never designed for anything like magnets. This is the heart of the problem with parylene coated magnets in my view. The material is so brittle and sensitive, and you’ve literally coated a magnet - a thing that is violently pulled toward other things if you get it too close. I’ve literally seen body modders with stacks of these magnets in their bags before… like, how did you get them to gently stack together on each other without the typical "click" that comes with getting two magnets too close to each other? Ah, you didn't.. you just picked one off the stack to show me, then let it snap right back to the top of the stack without a second thought. But even if your supplier hasn’t stacked them, how could you ever be sure they didn’t let them come into any contact with any magnetically active metals what so ever? From the moment you take a parylene coated magnet out of the coating chamber, it’s a liability.
Giant cracks in parylene are easily detectable, but small any pathways which may have opened up for moisture to get in to the magnet and start breaking it down - those are not possible to see with the naked eye. Not to mention any small pieces that may flake off or abrade over time, only to be lost forever floating around in your body.
Parylene is the most risky way to coat a magnet, yet here we are discussing the safety of grade 2 pure machined titanium I can literally blast with a laser and smash with a hammer and still not breech the core…
… all because it’s not a “mirror finish”… which by the way has never been tested or validated in any way for anything by anyone… it’s just that it “feels like it should be”… but no data has ever been collected on this. I mean shit, just take a look at the most common titanium implants - hip replacements. The only mirror finish on there is the friction surface where the socket rests on the ball (for obvious reasons)… the rest is just dull grey machined titanium.
So yes, some people get lucky and have parylene coated magnets implanted that withstand the test of time, but overall the results are in - parylene is risky AF, yet professionals seem to keep using and implanting devices with substandard coatings while throwing up static about the Titan… well mark me down as “annoyed”.
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Oh god. I’m glad I didn’t get mine from a piercer
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Here’s a thread with pictures of one I have removed after ~2 years. Got it from my piercer
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