Slight correction to the original title of your question: " Newbie wanting to copy beloved pets microchip and install into self
Technically you have to do it the other way round i.e. install a chip in you first then clone your pooch’s chip onto yours. The xSeries (injectable glass chips) can’t be written to through the metal walls of the syringe delivery system.
I only mention this to explain why the first step was to check that the pet chip and your implant are compatible.
I can confirm that an FDX-B + T5577 + Flipper0 (or Proxmark3) will turn you into a Cydorg.
Take it from me: a 10 y.o. mutt called Whisper.
I cannot wait. In Australia most motels are either LF, or mifare. Being able to copy just with the flipper will be great…. I have a habit of walking out of the room without the key, and being able to have my hand open the door is excellent, particularly when reception is not 24 hours….
being able to do it already is gas but the optimisations and additional attack layers make it incredibly useful, np0 and his team are wizards.
they’ve sped up the dictionary attack too. on the default dictionary, ~2500 keys, it used to take ~8 minutes to do a full check, it now takes 17 seconds.
this was benchmarked when i added keys from all over randomly picked in the dictionary to a card and we tested against the optimised dict check fw.
I’ll also recommend waiting for two weeks after getting the chip implanted before writing anything to it. The swelling while things heal can make things harder.
Wait, you aren’t a laboratory grade white mouse of the genus mus musculus!? I’ve been lied to!
yep and all the CFWs that pull OFW as a base, which is all of them
i know its specifically being optimised for OFW and momentum, unleashed is generally very stable anyway and roguemaster, well who knows how well it will handle
Hi friends, sorry to pop in to the thread late, but have a very noob question.
I am told that microchips like this (FDX-B) are impossible to be duplicated. i.e., if I scan the chip and know the 15-digit code, that I can’t “copy” or clone that exact 15-digit code onto another chip of the same form factor.
Would the Flipper be the device to test and disprove this statement?
they can be cloned but not onto another pet chip as those are unchangeable and not t5577s. IE you can’t buy a simple pet chip off aliexpress and clone onto that, neither can you overwrite a pet chip already inside an animal etc.
they can be cloned onto T5577s, the xem is an injectable t5577.
yes the flipper can do it, so can the proxmark.
question i have is, why do you want to clone a pet chip onto another pet chip?
Sorry, this is unrelated to pet chips specifically. The chips are being used for a different purpose, I just found this thread through a Google search.
I am being sold a product that uses FDX-B chips to identify a good as unique. I am told that these are immutable and unable to be duplicated, however, in my research, I’m coming to the conclusion that this is false. I’d like to prove my theory for myself.
Form factor matters. Doesn’t have to be the exact dimensions, but needs to be close. It’s the particular product we’re dealing with, have to be vague due to the nature of the conversations. Sorry I can’t provide more context.
The fdx-b protocol and the ISO 11784 and ISO 11785 international standards have no provisions for security. The ID is spit out as soon as the tag powers up. This makes cloning or emulating it a very simple matter. The protocol isn’t secure, therefore you cannot be guaranteed uniqueness. This should be enough to settle any argument or discussion you’re having.
Pushing into needing to replicate the tag entirely including form factor means you’re looking to make counterfeit tags. What are you actually trying to do here?
I am absolutely not trying to attempting to produce counterfeit tags. If I was attempting to do so, I wouldn’t be posting on a public forum.
I am looking to duplicate one 15-digit ID from a chip that was supplied to me onto another of the same form factor to take back to the seller of this “product” and prove that this is “revolutionary technology” is not what they’ve represented. To do that, I have to prove that what they’re saying is not possible, is possible. That’s all.
I mean you could just get an xEM and program it and show them it’s totally possible to copy their fdx-b into an implantable chip. It’s not exactly the same size but it proves the concept perfectly fine.
The next question is - why do you need verifiable uniqueness? What is your application? Have you considered the Spark? It has a cryptographically provable unique identity via the Auth API.
You wouldn’t be the first to do this. People want to counterfeit a single tag… usually something in a prized animal or breeding bull or some high value animal. They only are interested in producing one tag… and trying to learn how to do that on a public forum is commonplace.
