Payment Chip in Europe

[Viktor]

My bad, should have eloborated more I was talking about the NXTPAY.

Digiwell is a german reseller of the NXTPAY. Where did you find info about the NXTPAY?

[FABRIZIO]

The site is called Upgraded Umans, from there I wrote them an email. Unfortunately I need a German account, I can’t from Italy. their App is also German. a little different from Walletmor. I hope my chip arrives soon and works.

[amal]

@Viktor

Is Digiwell the comany who makes these or just a distributer?

we make NXTPAY for Digiwell

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Hi, did you read my post from yesterday? Walletmor wrote to me and says that P1-P4 are no longer good

Yes I did buddy

@FABRIZIO

Very important: Following a number of unexpected issues with the implants installed on the side of the hand, a place called “knife-edge”, we no longer recommend this location for installing the implant

This is what we would refer to as P5, DangerousThings and VivoKey also reccomend
against this location for a Flex implant.

But P1, P2, P3 or P4 should be absolutely fine

Heres some more info

Knife edge installations of flex implants

Be Advised - avoid knife edge installations for flex We are seeing an odd number of failures of flex implants specifically installed into the knife edge of the hand. In particular we have seen an unusual number of Walletmor and Purewrist payment conversion implants failing when installed on the extreme knife edge of the hand. [image] We are still waiting to receive some of the extracted failures back for analysis, but at this time the hypothesis is that the flexing of the hand is creating a …

[FABRIZIO]

Sorry guys but I have veins, tendons and bones in the P1 P2 P3 P4 area. Am I wrong? and then where can I find a tattoo artist who inserts the chip on the back of the hand? you need a surgeon. I understood that walletmor indicates the area of the watch (wrist) Boh.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Sorry guys but I have veins, tendons and bones in the P1 P2 P3 P4 area

We all do, some are more prominent than others.
Mine are prominent, but I still I have a Left and Right P1, my P4 L i have had a couple in and out, My P1 left has also had a couple of Flex implants.

@FABRIZIO

Am I wrong?

@FABRIZIO

and then where can I find a tattoo artist who inserts the chip on the back of the hand?

You concern is valid, but the implants sits above the veins, tendons and bones.

@FABRIZIO

and then where can I find a tattoo artist who inserts the chip on the back of the hand?

What city do you live in?

Walletmor has an installer map

• Walletmor -

Partners

and here are some others

• Dangerousthings.com -

Professional Installation Partners

• KSEC -

https://labs.ksec.co.uk/cyborg-centers-worldwide/

• Community Biohacking Map 2 -

Community Biohacking Map

@FABRIZIO

I understood that walletmor indicates the area of the watch (wrist) Boh.

This is a viable location, but I would personally still choose P1-P4, but that is yours and your installers decision

[FABRIZIO]

Okay. I’m from Rome and I ordered a payment chip from Walletmor, but they don’t ship it yet. There are 7 installers recommended by Walletmor in Italy (Partners– Walletmor). 3 told me they never installed anything because Walletmor never provided them with the guidelines. 1 doesn’t want to do it anymore. 2 others no longer exist. the last installer (surgeon in Milan) told me that the last chips in October 2023 had problems. Do I go to Tattoos in Rome and ask them to have it done for me? Thank you

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Do I go to Tattoos in Rome and ask them to have it done for me? Thank you

It sounds like you are not having a great experience so far.

A tattoo parlor / piercers are totally valid options, just make sure that Walletmor will cover the warranty.
In reality, their installation structure they have in place has it’s pros and cons.

Check out the other links I sent you.
KSEC has good coverage in Europe and professional installers.

If none of those suggestion above work.
If you have any Medically trained people in your family, they may be able to help. Doctor, Nurse, EMT, Medic, Veterinarian etc. They should be capable of helping.

I’m not sure if the Walletmor comes with a custom needle, but if not, you may want to get one.

I just want to be clear, I am more than happy to help you, but this really should be Walletmor.
I also want to make clear, That Dangerous Things, have nothing to do with Walletmor or their business structure etc. Amal does the encapsulation for them, and that’s where it ends.
So your experience you are having with Walletmor, should not reflect on Dangerous Things.

Again, we are here and happy to help you if and when you need it

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Do I go to Tattoos in Rome and ask them to have it done for me?

Here is some information to send to them ( Better in person if you can )

8mm wedge flex device installation with custom 4G needle

Both Dangerous Things and VivoKey have wedge shaped flex series implantable devices which are shaped like a wedge, with the leading edge at the bottom of the antenna being 7mm wide, and the trailing edge, typically with the chip inside, being 8mm wide. These devices can be safely and aseptically installed using a needle based procedure any licensed professional body piercer can perform using a standard 4G piercing needle. We have created a custom 4G needle that is unusually long (80mm) and has …

VivoKey Flex Device Installation Procedure Guide.pdf (641.0 KB)

If they also have questions, give them the link to this thread and ask away.

They can ask in Itallian if they prefer, there is a translate function on the forum

[FABRIZIO]

Hi, why are you talking about custom needle? I don’t think this chip is inserted with a needle. It doesn’t have a cylindrical shape. There are videos where they insert it with surgical forceps. I’ve never done it so I don’t know. Thanks for your passion
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[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Hi, why are you talking about custom needle?

I need you to help me out here…
Did you watch the video in the link I sent you?

Custom 5mm flex needle

Here’s another

Flex format rfid payment implant, flex needle install

One of the reasons are, legally there can be a difference between a scalpel and a needle install, so depending on your local laws, it may be difficult to get a scalpel install.
The custom needle works PERFECTLY for a flex install ( including the Walletmor )

I have had 6 Flex installs using the Custom needle

Watch the videos

[JennyMcLane]

You need a german bank account.
Write to vimpay, if you can open an account.
Works for me, and I’m from Austria.
Don’t tell them about payment implants.

[FABRIZIO]

wow. I understand. but there is no one in Italy who uses this needle and I don’t want to travel around Europe to install a chip. Thank you

[FABRIZIO]

Thanks Jenny. if Walletmor chip goes bad I will write to Vivokey. are they in Europe? where do you buy their chip? the site has little information. Ciao
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[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

wow. I understand

Ha, not quite yet

@FABRIZIO

I don’t want to travel around Europe to install a chip

I was actually suggesting, that Walletmor approved installers PROBABLY use this needle, IF you don’t go to a Walletmor installer, you could buy one of the custom needles yourself, and take it to an Italian Piercer.

@FABRIZIO

if Walletmor chip goes bad I will write to Vivokey. are they in Europe?

Just to be clear, Jenny said VIMPAY not VIVOKEY

VivoKey Are mainly based in USA but have staff in other continents / countries.
HOWEVER
Vivokey do not make Payment implants ( well, they do, but they don’t…It’s complicated )
What Jenny was suggesting, was Vimpay ( A german payment option ) that needs to be converted by Dangerous Things

Link

Payment Device Conversion Service

[FABRIZIO]

Walletmor was easy to understand. they sell you the chip. they tell you which app to use. they tell you the installers in your country. they tell you that with Visa or Mastercard transfers you won’t have problems. but maybe I deluded myself too soon. Unfortunately I have no experience in this field and I have to use Google Translate. It’s a bit difficult for me.

[JennyMcLane]

The “nxtpay” from Digiwell us the vimpay chip.

Maybe if your country have a micro creditcard you can ship it to Dangerous Things.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@FABRIZIO

Unfortunately I have no experience in this field and I have to use Google Translate. It’s a bit difficult for me.

Don’t stress buddy, well keep helping you, just let us know What information you get from Walletmor and when your implant arrives.

[FABRIZIO]

You’re right, it’s better to wait longer They wrote to me that they will send it but with a deadline of 5 years. At the beginning I understood 8 years. Maybe the chips are old. Now on their site it costs double. If this adventure goes well I’ll do a video. thanks, I’ll keep you updated

[LabRat]

Finding a piercer willing to do subdermal in Italy is very tricky. Your best bet if you don’t have a surgeon friend is the surgeon in Milan.
I agree with you that the Walletmor site makes the whole process seem much easier than it really is.
The good thing is that this forum is full of people who have worked around similar problems in their own countries and will do what they can to help you with your situation.