Payment insert sizes - who has one?

[Chris700]

with the walletmor insert not working in the uk i’m looking at these two options:

muchbetter keyfob MuchBetter contactless payment
or
k-pay bracelet Mavericks Contactless Payment Straptag Charcoal – K-pay UK

does anyone have one of these already encapsulated? how big is it once it’s been converted to an insert?

i’m asking because i have small hands and i’m worried that possibly both of them will be a bit too large and obvious once encapsulated

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Chris700

how big is it once it’s been converted to an insert?

That depends how big Amal decides to convert it
The older ones were

• 7mm x 32mm x 0.5mm flexible biopolymer package
  
  
  
  OR
• 8mm x 38mm x 0.4mm flexible biopolymer package
  
  

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The newer ones

• 7.5mm x 28mm x 0.5mm flexible biopolymer package
  
  

But you really need to have Amal confirm before you commit

[Chris700]

I didn’t think any of those actually worked as a payment device?

I was assuming I needed to get the inside workings from a key fob made into an implant?

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Chris700

I didn’t think any of those actually worked as a payment device?

Correct, But I was giving you a visual indication of what size you should expect, and why I didn’t give you product links, Just images

Let me try again:
here are your likely sizes

• 7mm x 32mm x 0.5mm
• 8mm x 38mm x 0.4mm
• 7.5mm x 28mm x 0.5mm

I had an older one converted
This is what my one looked like

I think Amal tends to use the PCBs now, as is used on the Walletmor

Here’s my write up so you get an idea of the process

My Custom Payment Conversion Experience

Micro Bank Card Payment Conversion Service Payment implant Everybody wants one, I actually have one , here is my journey Along with everybody else, I am eagerly and patiently waiting for the Apex Line to be officially launched. The Apex line will be a powerful device that will be capable of many functions, including payment. However, currently, we don’t know when or where, globally this will be restricted to upon its release; therefore, I have…

Here are some 3D print space models if you want to print them out and see how / where you can fit one on your hand

Handy Dandy CAD files / Space models repository

I thought it might be Handy Dandy to have a place for all of those visual and tactile persons, that want to be able to see and feel what an intended implant physical size is, and to work out placement on their own bodies I would ask that people don’t ask questions in this thread Just read or post your CAD files and move on… accompanying related threads of interested https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/naming-convention-for-implant-locations-in-the-hand/6075 https://forum.dangerousthings.com…

[Chris700]

Ah ok. I’ve applied for the MuchBetter card and fob so will see what the internals of that look like when opened up. I suspect it’ll be bigger than the images you put up tbh as they’ll maybe not have gone to the expense of miniaturising it

[amal]

Just to be clear… you are getting a keychain which is larger than the implant. this is to comply with EMV performance requirements for wearables. we extract the chip from this keychain and put it onto a new smaller antenna carrier PCB. then we encapsulation that with biopolymer to make it safe for implantation. performance is reduced of course, but i don’t think anyone would be willing to implant a full size keychain to retain performance.

[Chris700]

Oh I didn’t realise you did that tbh. Do you have an indication of final size or photo of a finished product?

[Chris700]

Does it end up like the PCB pilgrimsmaster put up? Very similar to the walletmor implant?

[Chris700]

I’ve seen a few YouTube videos where people has sealed and inserted the actual key fob size wearable and it looked very cumbersome which is why I asked the question

[amal]

@Chris700

Does it end up like the PCB pilgrimsmaster put up? Very similar to the walletmor implant?

Most all conversions end up looking exactly like the walletmor implant. The size is 8mm wide by 28mm long.

[Chris700]

awesome Amal. thanks very much i’ll get the key fob over to you the second i receive it.

thanks for all your help