PM3 not picking up CUID cards

I just got my pm3 easy and the two CUID cards that came with it aren’t being picked up by the pm3. Did I get 2 faulty cards or am I missing something?

PS I already cloned an io key to the t5577 card successfully and I was able to read my mountain pass that came up as iso 15 so it seems that both antennas work

:thinking:

That would be pretty weird.
Where did you get the PM3 from?
Do you have mismatched client / firmware?

This does point toward either the Cards or commands…

What commands did you try so far?

Can you try and read them with TagInfo on your phone?

Post the startup screen when you first launch the pm3 client

I tried TagInfo and they get picked up.

I tried both lf search, hf search, auto. Actually last time I did auto it picked up indala on lf even though i had the CUID card on hf antenna.


Hopefully the ss works.

And I got the PM3 easy from here preloaded with Iceman and updated everything from the guide

Ok. Can you place the card on a wooden or non-metal surface, then place the proxmark3 overtop of it and run hf search.

Tried that, no dice :confused:

Hold the proxmark3 up in the air by the cable so it’s not around anything and run hw tune





Not sure if I need to adjust any of those sliders, but after running hw tune it sees it when I put it under the pm3
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Hmm yeah ok run hf tune this time and compare the voltage before placing the card and after.

First run: on the desk
Second run: cuid on top of hf antenna
Third run: cuid on the bottom of pm3

[usb] pm3 --> hw tune
[=] ---------- Reminder ------------------------
[=] `hw tune` doesn't actively tune your antennas,
[=] it's only informative.
[=] Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait...
[-]  9
[=] ---------- LF Antenna ----------
[+] LF antenna: 22.14 V - 125.00 kHz
[+] LF antenna: 14.57 V - 134.83 kHz
[+] LF optimal: 25.21 V - 117.65 kHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 6.1 by frequency bandwidth measurement
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 7.3 by peak voltage measurement
[+] LF antenna is OK
[=] ---------- HF Antenna ----------
[+] HF antenna: 16.31 V - 13.56 MHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 4.7 by peak voltage measurement
[+] HF antenna is OK

(*) Q factor must be measured without tag on the antenna

[+] Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 88 (blue) is 134.83 kHz, 95 (red) is 125.00 kHz.

[usb] pm3 --> hw tune
[=] ---------- Reminder ------------------------
[=] `hw tune` doesn't actively tune your antennas,
[=] it's only informative.
[=] Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait...
[-]  9
[=] ---------- LF Antenna ----------
[+] LF antenna: 22.16 V - 125.00 kHz
[+] LF antenna: 14.57 V - 134.83 kHz
[+] LF optimal: 25.20 V - 117.65 kHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 6.1 by frequency bandwidth measurement
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 7.3 by peak voltage measurement
[+] LF antenna is OK
[=] ---------- HF Antenna ----------
[+] HF antenna: 12.42 V - 13.56 MHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 3.6 by peak voltage measurement
[+] HF antenna is OK

(*) Q factor must be measured without tag on the antenna

[+] Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 88 (blue) is 134.83 kHz, 95 (red) is 125.00 kHz.

[usb] pm3 --> hw tune
[=] ---------- Reminder ------------------------
[=] `hw tune` doesn't actively tune your antennas,
[=] it's only informative.
[=] Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait...
[-]  9
[=] ---------- LF Antenna ----------
[+] LF antenna: 22.15 V - 125.00 kHz
[+] LF antenna: 14.57 V - 134.83 kHz
[+] LF optimal: 25.20 V - 117.65 kHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 6.2 by frequency bandwidth measurement
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 7.3 by peak voltage measurement
[+] LF antenna is OK
[=] ---------- HF Antenna ----------
[+] HF antenna: 15.11 V - 13.56 MHz
[+] Approx. Q factor (*): 4.4 by peak voltage measurement
[+] HF antenna is OK

(*) Q factor must be measured without tag on the antenna

[+] Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 88 (blue) is 134.83 kHz, 95 (red) is 125.00 kHz.```

Rather than running hw tune which will read the antenna voltages for a moment in time, hf tune will real-time monitor and print the output voltage from the high frequency antenna. This is helpful to see how a card/tag will interact with the PM3 and how it will draw power which can be experimented with to get the best orientation.

In your case, it seems like you are getting good results from the card being on top of the PM3 so thats where Id place the card before issuing commands.
With one of the cards on top try hf 14a info. Ensure any other tags/cards arent in proximity of the PM3 to avoid collision issues.
Presumably that didnt work so hold the card a little above the PM3 and run the command again. Keep attempting the above slightly increasing the distance between card and PM3; hoping youll eventually get a good read.

This isnt definitive answer but something to try and is common with poorly tuned card antennae especially in high frequency cards.

The Indala result you got when running auto is a known false positive from the low frequency antenna. You can get this result with no cards on or near the PM3 and running lf detect.

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