Hey yall, I am in the market for a keypad/RFID combo deadbolt for my house remodel that I am doing. Need at least a keypad for guest and RFID for my NExT. Anyone have any suggestions? I found this one on amazon but want to get some of yall’s opinions if possible.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P8WXMRL/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_9?smid=A2EDD1OV2MJJQS&psc=1
Pretty pricey. The biggest hurdle you’ll have is if the reader is strong enough to read an implant. Most battery operated readers use a very low power mode, which makes it hard for the tiny implant to wake it up… This buttons on this one, you might be able to wake it with a button press, which will help, but no way to know if it has range unless you or someone tests it. Until recently the samsung line was the way to go, but they’ve since changed their firmware so it won’t read NTAG216 tags.
CAnt find any info on what kind of cards they use on their website or in the instructions.
You can only purchase cards for it by reaching out to them directly so if you ask them what they are you might get lucky in that regard.
Do you only have a Next?
As far as I understand they still work with the xM1 though and at a similar price point they are a option.
The customer questions say 13.56 MHz, but nothing beyond that.
Ahh yes, I believe you are correct. Thank you for mentioning that.
I’m thinking about ordering a card and trying to read it with my phone to get more specs for yall.
Yeppers! The swelling is just starting to go down lol
With the issue of the lock not having enough power… could that be solved with a motion detector being added? Similar to this… https://www.amazon.com/Oiyagai-HC-SR501-Pyroelectricity-Infrared-Detector/dp/B0757JN66G/ref=pd_ybh_a_26?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PGCM39RMXFYG53G8XQ63
There are two possible issues (or both):
Sure if you hack it somehow to wake it up when motion is detected, you could eliminate #1, but short of redesigning the whole thing, nothing will solve #2 if it’s an issue.
Looks like it’s back to the drawing board for me lol. I have also been thinking of a way that I can incorporate a different antenna and still look like it came that way.
I would recommend you get a replacement card first for $3, Work out what Implant you will need, and If you have it
Its on amazon, can you just get it , try it, and return it if it is unsuitable, or keep it if it is?
I bought one of these to test for you. 
It will be here wendensday.
AWESOME!!! I’m guessing you are in the market for one also lol
So this lock does work with an xNT. It’s not great though, but usable.
AWESOME! I thought that you ordered just the key! Lol Awesome test! now I know I can order 3
And a FlexNT
@turbo2ltr could you please do a TagInfo dump of the access card ( Or NFC Tools since you prefer it )
Now that I’m off work, I can give some more details.
It comes with a keychain card and a couple sticker tags.
It does not read ISO15693 tags.
Tested Reads with MiFare classic 1K, 2K, EV1 , NTAG216, JCOP
As you can see from the video, the reading is just “ok”. It definitely seems like the strongest read pulse is right when the screen turns on so if you can nail the placement right off the bat, it works best.
Controller is based off an “NXP” CV520. Think its a knockoff but it’s a ISO 14444 front end.
The touch side of the keypad is very sensitive and responsive which is not the feeling I got with the samsung. The RFID antenna is somehow embedded in the black keypad part. I didn’t want to take it too far apart.
Unfortunately they committed the cardinal sin… they put the reader guts on the outside of the door.
At least it’s not a lock/unlock signal going to the back side of the lock. It’s serial data I could not decode in the 30 minutes I worked on it.
I was able to pick the cylinder that it comes with without too much trouble. Though the keyway is pretty tight. What is nice is you can swap it out with anything you want as it has a standard core. I do wish the core had a better fit… It’s pretty loose in there.
The keyway is actually a standard Schlage. The keys are marked “do not duplicate” Which is kinda dumb. Even dumber, it appears they have the bitting stamped on them.
Some pics…
Scan of the tag it comes with.
** TagInfo scan (version 4.24.4) 2020-04-21 20:25:17 **
Report Type: External
-- IC INFO ------------------------------
# IC manufacturer:
Unknown Manufacturer
# IC type:
Unknown Mifare class IC, possibly cloned
-- NDEF ------------------------------
# No NDEF data storage populated:
-- EXTRA ------------------------------
# Memory size:
1 kB
* 16 sectors, with 4 blocks per sector
* 64 blocks, with 16 bytes per block
-- FULL SCAN ------------------------------
# Technologies supported:
ISO/IEC 14443-3 (Type A) compatible
# Android technology information:
Tag description:
* TAG: Tech [android.nfc.tech.NfcA, android.nfc.tech.MifareClassic, android.nfc.tech.NdefFormatable]
* Maximum transceive length: 253 bytes
* Default maximum transceive time-out: 618 ms
# Detailed protocol information:
ID: C4:86:C5:B5
ATQA: 0x0400
SAK: 0x08
# Memory content:
Sector 0 (0x00)
[00] r-- C4 86 C5 B5 32 08 04 00 01 9E 0B EC EE F9 73 1D |....2.........s.|
[01] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[02] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[03] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 1 (0x01)
[04] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[05] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[06] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[07] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 2 (0x02)
[08] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[09] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[0A] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[0B] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 3 (0x03)
[0C] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[0D] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[0E] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[0F] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 4 (0x04)
[10] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[11] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[12] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[13] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 5 (0x05)
[14] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[15] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[16] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[17] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 6 (0x06)
[18] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[19] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[1A] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[1B] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 7 (0x07)
[1C] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[1D] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[1E] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[1F] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 8 (0x08)
[20] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[21] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[22] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[23] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 9 (0x09)
[24] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[25] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[26] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[27] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 10 (0x0A)
[28] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[29] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[2A] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[2B] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 11 (0x0B)
[2C] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[2D] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[2E] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[2F] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 12 (0x0C)
[30] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[31] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[32] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[33] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 13 (0x0D)
[34] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[35] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[36] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[37] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 14 (0x0E)
[38] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[39] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[3A] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[3B] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
Sector 15 (0x0F)
[3C] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[3D] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[3E] rwi 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
[3F] wxx FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF FF:07:80 69 FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
Factory default key Factory default key (readable)
r/R=read, w/W=write, i/I=increment,
d=decr/transfer/restore, x=r+w, X=R+W
data block: r/w/i/d:key A|B, R/W/I:key B only,
I/i implies d, *=value block
trailer (order: key A, AC, key B): r/w:key A,
W:key B, R:key A|B, (r)=readable key
AC: W implies R+r, R implies r
--------------------------------------Great write up @turbo2ltr
That will be amazing help to @Steven1727
He has a few implant options to choose from
lol I have decided when I get my Apex I am getting a flex but so far my NExT has been working for everything I need. Just wish it had more space. I had to take some stuff out of my vcard to get it down to size.
So this means that I can use the xM1 I have for that also right?
Something I have been wondering… With so many things not having an antenna big enough to get a good read on a glass implant… is there a way that you can extend the antenna or put a “remote” antenna? Like this… https://dangerousthings.com/product/proxlf/
My xM1+ is not implanted yet, but I enrolled a MiFare Classic 1K card and it works fine. Should work barring any coupling issues.
Funny, it doesn’t actually read “full size” cards very well either… I think it was designed for the smaller tags it came with…
Antennas are designed and tuned as a system, which includes components on the board… While it is possible, it’s not easy without a thorough understanding of electrical resonance and the design of the circuits of the controller.
So a lot like a CB radio antenna… 
… would be really cool to make a remote antenna that would be a plug and play…
Could you not use a LCR meter to get the inductance of the existing antenna and then simply wind one of the same size? I know that for the HF LED Power Bracelet I built 1 oscillator circuit and for the most part did not change it at all I just trialed multiple different coils with the same inductance and they all woked.