Proxmark 3 HID Clone to card or fob

I’m struggling to copy an HID fob. I’ve tried following similar threads but none of the solutions seem to work for me.

[usb] pm3 --> lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags...
[=]
[+] [H10301  ] HID H10301 26-bit                FC: 197  CN: 48122  parity ( ok )
[+] [ind26   ] Indala 26-bit                    FC: 3163  CN: 3066  parity ( ok )
[=] found 2 matching 26-bit formats

[=] Trying with a preamble bit...
[+] [ind27   ] Indala 27-bit                    FC: 7725  CN: 14324
[+] [indasc27] Indala ASC 27-bit                FC: 4575  CN: 7132
[+] [Tecom27 ] Tecom 27-bit                     FC: 879  CN: 64464
[=] found 3 matching 27-bit formats

[=] raw: 0000000000000020078b77f4

[+] Valid HID Prox ID found!

[+] Chipset... EM4x05 / EM4x69
[?] Hint: Try `lf em 4x05` commands

I have a card and a fob I’ve tried to copy onto.

The Card:

[usb] pm3 --> lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags...
[=]
[+] EM 410x ID 3D00D51E2C
[+] EM410x ( RF/64 )
[=] -------- Possible de-scramble patterns ---------
[+] Unique TAG ID      : BC00AB7834
[=] HoneyWell IdentKey
[+]     DEZ 8          : 13966892
[+]     DEZ 10         : 0013966892
[+]     DEZ 5.5        : 00213.07724
[+]     DEZ 3.5A       : 061.07724
[+]     DEZ 3.5B       : 000.07724
[+]     DEZ 3.5C       : 213.07724
[+]     DEZ 14/IK2     : 00262006971948
[+]     DEZ 15/IK3     : 000807465089076
[+]     DEZ 20/ZK      : 11120000101107080304
[=]
[+] Other              : 07724_213_13966892
[+] Pattern Paxton     : 1038703660 [0x3DE95C2C]
[+] Pattern 1          : 14896340 [0xE34CD4]
[+] Pattern Sebury     : 7724 85 5578284  [0x1E2C 0x55 0x551E2C]
[+] VD / ID            : 061 / 0013966892
[+] Pattern ELECTRA    : 15616 13966892
[=] ------------------------------------------------

[+] Valid EM410x ID found!

[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[#] unknown command:: 0x037a
[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[#] unknown command:: 0x037e
[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[+] Chipset... EM4x70
[?] Hint: Try `lf em 4x70` commands

The fob:

[usb] pm3 --> lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags...
[=]
[+] EM 410x ID 0000002049
[+] EM410x ( RF/64 )
[=] -------- Possible de-scramble patterns ---------
[+] Unique TAG ID      : 0000000492
[=] HoneyWell IdentKey
[+]     DEZ 8          : 00008265
[+]     DEZ 10         : 0000008265
[+]     DEZ 5.5        : 00000.08265
[+]     DEZ 3.5A       : 000.08265
[+]     DEZ 3.5B       : 000.08265
[+]     DEZ 3.5C       : 000.08265
[+]     DEZ 14/IK2     : 00000000008265
[+]     DEZ 15/IK3     : 000000000001170
[+]     DEZ 20/ZK      : 00000000000000040902
[=]
[+] Other              : 08265_000_00008265
[+] Pattern Paxton     : 1334857 [0x145E49]
[+] Pattern 1          : 5888 [0x1700]
[+] Pattern Sebury     : 8265 0 8265  [0x2049 0x0 0x2049]
[+] VD / ID            : 000 / 0000008265
[+] Pattern ELECTRA    : 0 8265
[=] ------------------------------------------------

[+] Valid EM410x ID found!

[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[#] unknown command:: 0x037a
[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[#] unknown command:: 0x037e
[!] timeout while waiting for reply
[+] Chipset... EM4x70
[?] Hint: Try `lf em 4x70` commands
[usb] pm3 -->

For both I’ve tried permutations of:

lf hid clone -r 20078b77f4 -em

lf em 4x05 wipe -p 50524F58

lf hid clone -w H10301 --fc 197 --cn 48122 --em

lf io clone --vn 2 --fc 197 --cn 48122 

However whenever I then run the read I see nothing. e.g.

[usb] pm3 --> lf hid clone -w H10301 --fc 197 --cn 48122 --em
[!] Beware some EM4305 tags don't support FSK and datarate = RF/50, check your tag copy!
[=] Preparing to clone HID tag
[+] [H10301  ] HID H10301 26-bit                FC: 197  CN: 48122  parity ( ok )
[+] Done!
[?] Hint: Try `lf hid reader` to verify
[usb] pm3 --> lf hid reader
[usb] pm3 -->

Not sure what else to try, I’m also not sure how to check the datarate for the tag. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

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I don’t know if this variety of EM chip is capable of cloning in this way, the --em flag specifies different chipsets:

--em optional - specify writing to EM4305/4469 tag

It would probably be easiest to pick up some new blanks, T5577 or a compatible EM

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I don’t think the EM chip you have can be converted to a HID.

I’d suggest getting a new card and fob which contain T5577 chips as they can operate in both formats.

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