I have been interested in cybernetics and biohacking all my life (before I even knew there was a name for it) and the idea of an RFID/NFC chip implant has always intrigued me. Recently I discovered Dangerous Things and their products and I am very interested in getting one but I have a few questions first that I couldn’t find easy answers to online.
Does anyone know the laws about getting chipped by a “professional” in Florida? Couldn’t find anything online about it. I would prefer to have someone like a tattoo artist do it because their hands probably a lot steadier than mine, plus not sure if id be mentally able to stick myself with a big needle. I know that doctors can do it but I feel like that’d cost too much. Worst case scenario I just thug it out and do it myself.
Which chip do you guys suggest? I was looking and the xSIID and the NExT chips to go into my hand but I’m a little rusty on the differences in technologies and what they are able to do. Is one a clear winner over the other? I like the idea of the xSIID’s light but I saw some online talking about the NExT being the superior chip as far as capabilities?
How long do these things last? It says there is a life guarantee for the chips on the Dangerous Things website and that they are built to “outlive the user” or whatever but don’t they have a battery that will eventually die? Especially the ones with lights, how is it powered so that it can last “a lifetime?” Has anyone had an experience with them breaking, are they fragile to things like blunt force?
What kind of pain are we talking for the insertion? I’m not super fragile and have a relatively high pain tolerance but I’d like to know what to expect. If it changes anything I’m planning on inserting it between my thumb and index finger on the left hand.
Thanks for any help/advice you can give. I’d also be very interested to know what you guys use your chips for on a daily basis or some fun capabilities of being chipped.
1- I do not know the Florida-specific details, and I can look into it in a bit, but generally speaking in the US, you don’t really cross any legal lines until you either use a scalpel or inject drugs (ie lidocaine for pain management). It looks like there are two installers on the map [https://biohackingmap.com/] in florida.
2- This comes down to a few factors. The key difference between the NExT and xSIID is the xSIID has an LED instead of a T5577. The T5577 is a low-frequency chip used almost exclusively for (generally older) access control systems. Both have an HF side that are more or less similar. The I2C for the xSIID and the NTAG 216 for the NExT, which for all intensive purposes serve the same purpose, which is usually a mix of access control for basic systems and communicating with devices like cellphones. Most people do not have a need for a T5577unless there is some form of access control that they need to do (for example I use my T5577 to unlock the doors at my workplace).
We can talk more about the different implants here. What exactly would you like to do with it/them? There are sooo many options.
3- Assuming no physical damage, any of the xSeries (glass encapsulated) should last indefinitely. They are glass, but quite strong glass. Outside of magnets (xG3 v1), breakage seems super rare (calling @tac0s to fact check me here). Given they are kept away from bones and put in a fleshy area like (what you mentioned above) p0.
There is no battery. All of the RFID products take their required power from a reader of some kind (ie your cellphone in the case of an HF chip).
4- I would put the pain level somewhere in the realm of a deep vaccination, maybe less. There are other opinions in this topic thread:
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As far as what I use my implants for: NExT: Work doors and notes from GF xMagic: Work doors and GF’s work doors (emergency use), plus hotel room doors sometimes. xG3 v2: Just got it, but a bit of picking up screws and parts, and a touch of sensing on occasion.
It should be a professional piercer–if they also do tattoos, cool. There are some states that have piercing laws that explicitly forbid this sort of thing (like Oregon) as they require the piercing to be completely through the skin so that the “jewelry” must exit the skin. It’s annoying given that x-series procedure is safer than your standard piercing.
From what I see about Florida, I don’t see a lot of rules outside of sterile practices. Except with jewelry. They seem to explicitly restrict the materials it can be made of–glass is not on the list but “low porosity plastic” is. So, if I am understanding this, technically a narrow flex is fair game but an x-series is not. Obvious disclaimer: not a lawyer or a Floridian.
Super rare–two that we know of that were not magnets.
Thank you for the quick and detailed response, yall are much more helpful than Reddit lol. I had no idea about the biohacking map but it turns out I live 20 minutes from one of the places listed so ill definitely check it out.
In your opinion does the benefit of having the T5577 in the NExT outweigh the loss of the light’s “cool factor?”
One more question is what tool/tools do you use to program your chip? is the Proxmark3 worth the price?
What exactly would you like to do with it/them?
Initially, Id probably use NFC capabilities of the chip to redirect phones to my website or something like my resume while at an interview but I am interested in learning more use-cases. Plus its awesome without much downside that I can see.
it depends on what you want to be able to do with your implants, personally if you see the light of the xsiid as a considerable reason to buy one, you could just as well buy an xem now they’re pennies on the dollar, a standalone t5577.
I will definitely take that into consideration, I love the idea of hooking up the KBR1 to my computer/home server and using its keyboard functionality as a way to unlock the computer almost like a biometric ID (as show in this video).
Are there any issues with getting to implants next to each other/in the same area?
You don’t want alike frequencies too close to one another,
I have maybe 6-8 in my right hand depending how you count… but they are sort of alternated, along with that. Having them be on different “faces” of your hand can help you Tetris things in better
Implant sutra is a good thread to look at
You’ll unfortunately never get 1 implant to rule them all unless you only ever have 1 singular use case
Let’s say your work uses t5577 LF, in EM configuration, and your gym also uses t5577 LF, but it’s in his prox configuration… you can only use one at a time with a t5577… so you’d have to have 2
But the hf stuff you can sometimes double dip,
Using the uid of the hf implant to be the password for your computer (what I do) and then using the payload to direct to a website
if they’re the same frequency & protocol you shouldn’t have them within 10mm of each other and depending on the position you pick you may want to put it further away for simple positioning reasons when presenting to the reader, non colliding implants(diff frequency or diff protocol) should still be about 5mm away so they don’t rub on each other.
TLDR, the xem and the xsiid can be close to each other.
word of advice, use the KBR1 scan of your implant as a suffix to your password, scanning it auto presses enter so the setup i use is [typed password]+[scanned implant] a decimalised output of my tag ID/UID alone doesn’t meet the group policy for my work computers nor my own personal security standards
can the xSIID alone be used for accessing a computer/inputting the computer password? If so then that one alone checks all my boxes especially if it can be simultaneously be used to direct to a website like @Eriequiet said
still, it outputs a dec10 (UID converted to 10 decimal places) so using just the output from that you’d be swapping your password to just a 10 digit number which is something you might want to not do
I use it as my windows pin,
It’s not the true admin password for account and stuffs but it will log me back in,
I have nothing of any meaningful digital significance…. A hand full of 3D designs that are actually mine, a vault of photos of me throughout the years I scraped from social medias before redaction, and some media
My password is only meant to keep standard bottom barrel pieces of shit out
Just keep in mind, white looks red for weeks… sometimes months… basically until any trapped blood surrounding the implant is completely removed by the body… which can take some time depending on how critical your body treats the task.
