Soo, I just wanted to check what you folks thoughts about the possibility of selling used implants are?
I got a Titan a year or something ago, put it in my leg when I was bored.
My partner likes to archive floppy disks (among other media) and she kinda said that I should stay clear of any un-archived floppies she got, with my leg, for fear of disturbing the delicate floppy data (she have special hardware that can read otherwise hard-to-read floppies) and it got me thinking.
Anyway, in a time of APEX and Java Card implants and that magnets are not my thing at all, I’m thinking of the possibility to sell my Titan, used of course.
Being a Titanium electronics-free implant I assume it’s a bit easier to sterilize, I’m I right?
I haven’t bought a autoclave yet so I don’t have any means of that myself, but I guess some people do?
What would the “etics”, or quirks of selling a implanted-de-implanted… err implant be?
I also still got some unimplanted DT implants I haven’t got round to putting in, do people actually buy implants from other people?
Ok, I’m not well read about the specifics of the Titan but I did assume that there would be a way to sterilize it without damaging the implant, how else would it be sterile when new on delivery? Don’t gas work on the Titan? Of course I wouldn’t just dip a used implant in chlorhexidine and then implant it again, but I did assume there’s some other process, if not I agree, it would be stupid to implant a used one if there’s no way to actually properly sterilize it.
Dangerous Things works hard to maintain chain of custody. This is why we don’t accept returns of implants back into inventory… even unopened ones.
Inherently there are ways to properly clean and resterilize implants like Titan magnets. It’s not difficult.
The problem arises when you create a social contract by selling it. Cleaning your own implant and putting it back into yourself is one thing, but selling something introduces a whole new set of cognitive problems that arise if anything happens… and I mean anything. Questions start to form… was it actually sterile? Were there any toxins left on it because it wasn’t properly cleaned?
The thing about sterilization is that it’s not sufficient to make something safe. Let’s consider what happens when bacteria form a colony… they usually create a biofilm to shield themselves, and then they start producing waste. That waste can include a lot of things like neurotoxins and other terrible things. If you sterilize something that had a bacterial colony on it, you might kill the bacteria… But you may not have done anything to remove the toxins they produced. Even small amounts of certain toxins produced by some kinds of common bacteria can be lethal, even in very small doses… So in theory, it’s possible to successfully sterilize something and put it in and still die from it.
This is why it’s pretty dumb to do something like take a bunch of dirty water and boil it and then consider it sterile and inject it. In the olden days, this kind of thing would be done quite a bit. Maybe not actual injection but use of pretty gross things that have been “sterilized”, only to find that the patient or person using that stuff would get a fever and sometimes die. The fever was not from infection, it was from something left in the water or material called pyrogens… Literally called that because of the fever.
I do offer I sterilization service, this uses gas plasma which is safe for magnets. I also do some cleaning processes with alcohol before running the sterilization process. Considering what I just said though, I should actually remove the service and never do that for anyone. In fact that might be happening soon enough… but for the short-term, if somebody wanted to send their magnet back for sterilization I would put it into the rotation with other product batches, and return it as clean and sterile as I could possibly make it.
Yeah I’m confident I can clean and sterilize a person’s own product safely. It’s about the “what ifs” … but I suppose this is the same risk as selling the initial product in the first place. For now I’ll keep the sterilization service up.
I mean, you’re not reselling the implants. You’re just giving the person the best chance to have a sterile implant and returning it to them. If they decide to sell it used to someone who is uninformed of the risks that’s entirely out of your control. They could have just sold it used without consulting you at all.
You shouldn’t pull the service out of fear of that outcome. It’s providing a net positive impact because most people don’t have access to something as powerful as gas plasma sterilization.