Soo, I just wanted to check what you folks thoughts about the possibility of selling used implants are?
I got a Titan a year or something ago, put it in my leg when I was bored.
My partner likes to archive floppy disks (among other media) and she kinda said that I should stay clear of any un-archived floppies she got, with my leg, for fear of disturbing the delicate floppy data (she have special hardware that can read otherwise hard-to-read floppies) and it got me thinking.
Anyway, in a time of APEX and Java Card implants and that magnets are not my thing at all, Iām thinking of the possibility to sell my Titan, used of course.
Being a Titanium electronics-free implant I assume itās a bit easier to sterilize, Iām I right?
I havenāt bought a autoclave yet so I donāt have any means of that myself, but I guess some people do?
What would the āeticsā, or quirks of selling a implanted-de-implantedā¦ err implant be?
I also still got some unimplanted DT implants I havenāt got round to putting in, do people actually buy implants from other people?
I personally have used implants that i got from other people at home and i think several other people here also dont have an issue with getting a Titan with some history to it.
But NEVER autoclave magnets - they will loose their magnetism (it will decrease alot)
I would buy it myself if I wasnāt in financial trouble
Good to know, I think I should turn that point into putting a bit more oomph behind my own plans to create my own implants so I can be fully independent if things turn darker.
Idk about everyone else. But i just wouldnt buy a used one.
Sure, have one still in the pack? I would buy that.
I have only ever put in one implant that was used. It was my dogs RFID chip, amd i was weirded out still. I even let it soak in clorhexadine for a year first.
Sheesh, The amount of people on here afraid of used equipment/implants is quite interesting, Iām not afraid of used stuff, If I lived in Europe I would buy it.
Ok, Iām not well read about the specifics of the Titan but I did assume that there would be a way to sterilize it without damaging the implant, how else would it be sterile when new on delivery? Donāt gas work on the Titan? Of course I wouldnāt just dip a used implant in chlorhexidine and then implant it again, but I did assume thereās some other process, if not I agree, it would be stupid to implant a used one if thereās no way to actually properly sterilize it.
Dangerous Things works hard to maintain chain of custody. This is why we donāt accept returns of implants back into inventoryā¦ even unopened ones.
Inherently there are ways to properly clean and resterilize implants like Titan magnets. Itās not difficult.
The problem arises when you create a social contract by selling it. Cleaning your own implant and putting it back into yourself is one thing, but selling something introduces a whole new set of cognitive problems that arise if anything happensā¦ and I mean anything. Questions start to formā¦ was it actually sterile? Were there any toxins left on it because it wasnāt properly cleaned?
The thing about sterilization is that itās not sufficient to make something safe. Letās consider what happens when bacteria form a colonyā¦ they usually create a biofilm to shield themselves, and then they start producing waste. That waste can include a lot of things like neurotoxins and other terrible things. If you sterilize something that had a bacterial colony on it, you might kill the bacteriaā¦ But you may not have done anything to remove the toxins they produced. Even small amounts of certain toxins produced by some kinds of common bacteria can be lethal, even in very small dosesā¦ So in theory, itās possible to successfully sterilize something and put it in and still die from it.
This is why itās pretty dumb to do something like take a bunch of dirty water and boil it and then consider it sterile and inject it. In the olden days, this kind of thing would be done quite a bit. Maybe not actual injection but use of pretty gross things that have been āsterilizedā, only to find that the patient or person using that stuff would get a fever and sometimes die. The fever was not from infection, it was from something left in the water or material called pyrogensā¦ Literally called that because of the fever.
I do offer I sterilization service, this uses gas plasma which is safe for magnets. I also do some cleaning processes with alcohol before running the sterilization process. Considering what I just said though, I should actually remove the service and never do that for anyone. In fact that might be happening soon enoughā¦ but for the short-term, if somebody wanted to send their magnet back for sterilization I would put it into the rotation with other product batches, and return it as clean and sterile as I could possibly make it.
That kinda sucksā¦ but I get why it might need to go that direction
I supported the concept of re-sterilization for certain situations
Rejected or infection causing the need for removal and then heal, or needing to be removed for a medical reason
So that people arenāt āoutā on something or face a large financial loss or have to choose between loosing an implant or having certain imagining done
I hope itās possible to keep it online for vetted situations maybe
The alternative, re-sterilizing to sellā¦ seems needlessly reckless to āsave a buckā for the potential buyer
And which while still a financial motivationā¦ has a very different after taste than a ādamage controlā option
Yeah Iām confident I can clean and sterilize a personās own product safely. Itās about the āwhat ifsā ā¦ but I suppose this is the same risk as selling the initial product in the first place. For now Iāll keep the sterilization service up.
From the perspective of trying to keep DT safe, but also keep things on the table
So donāt shoot the messenger you more radical grinders lol
Perhaps raising the BASE price of the sterilization, to the point that it negates any āsavingsā of buying an implant second hand
Example
100$ something ish for a xSIID
Someone might try to sell a used one for say 50$
If you charge say 60 to sterilize itā¦ it defeats the point
You could be free to discount this of course if you felt the situation was more trustworthy
or could validate the reason it needed to be taken out or refund/credit when they reinstall it, though this tastes a bit like forcing/pressuring someone into an implant and I donāt like that taste
Basicallyā¦ pull an appleā¦ I feel dirty for suggesting it, but it does kinda work in this situation
I mean, youāre not reselling the implants. Youāre just giving the person the best chance to have a sterile implant and returning it to them. If they decide to sell it used to someone who is uninformed of the risks thatās entirely out of your control. They could have just sold it used without consulting you at all.
You shouldnāt pull the service out of fear of that outcome. Itās providing a net positive impact because most people donāt have access to something as powerful as gas plasma sterilization.
