Give me a bit, I will set a topic for it in the lounge
Title suggestions welcome
Currently thinking
Anti-Microchipping Laws
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I do get the desire to ban mandatory implantation. Though, wouldnāt it only be fair if it included banning mandatory app installs, or mandatory form factors for things like security keys, or mandatory OS requirements and the likes? eg where some schools require kids to buy computers from a specific proprietary corporation when they couldāve just as well designed their courses using interoperable filetypes, or where companies make people carry their security clearance in a card when they could just as well carry it in a keychain or in their bodies or whatever form factor works best for them?
People are freaking out over the wrong detail. Itās not an issue of where the data is. Itās an issue of what the data is and of the userās freedom to process and store that data in whatever way works best for them. Each of our brains convert and process the data, eg passwords, that weāre given, in their own ways independently of the form factor by which it was transmitted to us. This sets a natural precedent that individuals ought to have the right to transform information into whatever encoding schema works best for us, including subcutaneous microchips
This reminds me of some of the legal issues Steve Mann encountered with sousvailance. Do we want to make it broader than just anti-microchipping? eg āCyborg Rightsā?
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For a highly litigious country like the USA, this seems like a fair, reasonable and balanced approach
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How about the catchy:
" Anti-microchipping & Cyborg Rights "
My reason for the Anti-microchipping title is, if somebody was to search that term, they would hopefully end up in the form, in that thread which may help change minds if the naysayers or may recruit the curious to become new cyborgs
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What about something of the form āAnti-Mocrochipping, ___, ___, and other Cyborg Rights?ā Are there any other specific cyborg rights we anticipate being discussed in the same thread? I mentioned sousevaillance, although thatās more for wearers than grinders. I do think a lot of computer based rights like FOSS and rights to manufacture, hack, and repair are directly relevant to and exemplified by proto-cyborgs - eg in the parallelism in the notion of loading data on and off our wetware and our silicon components. On the other hand, come to think of it, maybe Cyborg rights is too broad category and we should keep it to just āAnti-Microchipping Laws?ā
Anti 
-microchipping 
& Cyborg 
Rights 
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Anti forced demicrochipping? Anti forced body modification? Bodily autonomy and self determination?
I mean, body modification covers both implanting and removing chips, right?
I would agree but IF this were to happen, I can see most instances occuring where employees might not be forced to get it, but be afraid of consequences if they didnāt, or some other peer pressure that heavily affects their decision.
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If anything, Iām pretty sure that most of the people who work at Dangerous Things have a few implantsā¦ And that the readers at work work well with glassies. Iām also sure that no one got forced into getting them, Amal is too awesome for that.
I can also see how these regulations could be a problem for companies that sell and distribute implants that want to offer their products to employeesā¦ Even if itās one of those companies that sell a lot of vitamins but carry the DT stuff.
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I didnāt look at it that way,
I guess that is more personality than legality.
We could dive into that deeper, but I can only speak from my perspective, and personally, I wouldnāt find than an issue let alone a consideration.
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Out of all the people in the forum, youāre the one I least expected to post thatā¦ But I like that you are honest with your siblings.
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Well, if a company started offering that upload service, Iād ask for the body options that they have available and if itās possible to get custom work doneā¦ That one looks too human and a bit uncanny for my taste.
Apparently they also got some inspiration from the fluffy cyborg threadā¦
As far as hands that are full of technology go, well, Amal got under my skinā¦
Edit because I almost forgot: @Pilgrimsmaster based on the information that can be derived from my posts and activity on the forum, guess which was the only museum that made time for while in the tourist trap capital of the world? Please provide a short and concise reply.
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Based on @enginerdās typical interests on the Dangerous Things forum. forum.dangerousthings.com āwhich center heavily on engineering, Robotics, and technical hardwareāthe only museum he likely made time for in the ātourist trap capitalā (Paris) is the MusĆ©e des Arts et MĆ©tiers (Museum of Arts and Crafts)
This museum houses a vast collection of historical automata and early mechanical prosthetics, which represent the technological lineage of modern robotics and bionic augmentation.
Would you like me to find specific exhibits within the MusƩe des Arts et MƩtiers having a cyborg / robotic theme?
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Well, thatās the first hallucination that Iāve seen from the Pilgrim AIā¦ The muam doesnāt have prosthetics, and the displays related to automation are mostly industrial, like early Jacquard looms. However, this is a great confirmation that Pilgrimsmaster is indeed an AI!
You nailed my choice of museum tho. Definitely a great place to visit even if the number of robots on display is limited.
Quite sadly, when I left from the hotel, there was an American mom yelling at her child for not being interested in the Louvre and Mona Lisaā¦ Saw a different version of the same thing in Madrid a week earlierā¦ This sort of family tension is something that Iāve encountered plenty of times when visiting the US but hadnāt noticed as a cultural difference. In the developed world, only American parents fight publicly over āfunā with 4 year olds from what Iāve seen. And Iām also surprised that it took me years to notice.
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AI is everywhere. By the data, its net contribution is flat. I use it everyday. Itās great at somethings, terrible at others. Somethings just canāt be improved on much. The terminal is one. āList all the files in directory whatever-the-fuckā is never going to beat āls or dir whatever-the-fuckā. But this is the way we humans tend to approach novel things. We apply them to everything, re-invent all the wheels. Sometimes there are brilliant insights. Much more often the result in wasted time and resources. In these days of economic, social, and electrical infrastructure strain, I canāt help but relate AI to the nuclear power industry. It arrived half a century before we knew how to design practical, meltdown fail-safe reactors. And we still donāt trust them. Now we have a uberfast wundertool that firmly believesāand will convince you, tooāthat it is capable of anything. And it can certainly do some amazing and terrifying things. We live in strange, fascinating times, for sure.
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Ehh I think this is too short sighted though.. long ago Google moved hard in the direction of search over structure (just type some of the filename and itās there), and AI with inference would completely do away with the idea of folder structures entirely. How the data is stored becomes irrelevant as well.
Once you realize the way humans use computers has been constructed by way of design mandating form of function, and that AI enables entirely new designs.. humans need to understand that the old ways of doing things on a computer were never their decision anyway and new ways are being molded as we speak.
This thread is now officially well over 1.5 days of non-stop reading to get from the first post to this post.
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Iām an old man with a love of history and patterns. What I see worries me very much. Nothing more, nothing less. Am I going to stop using AI? No.
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Or a 5sec AI prompt for summary
and 5 mins readingā¦