Itās a single strip of metal. Itās also sold in sticky tape format, and itās embedded in security paper (some of which Iāve seen when I worked on NATO secret documents - itās just like ordinary printer paper). So⦠paper thin, probably.
Iām not judging art (be it painting, sculpture, photography, music or anything else) based on the amount of effort that went into it. Clearly some artists are very talented and can whip up masterpieces in two hours, just like others arenāt and toil for years to produce uninspired garbage.
I donāt even want to go into the specifics of what constitutes art, how āseriousā the artist looks, how much it fetches at auction⦠because if you do, then you get into endless arguments that donāt go anywhere, where the slider of āwhat is artā goes from ānothing is artā to āeverything is artā and nobody agrees on anything. Just like arguments around religion, theyāre pointless and sterile and I aināt got no time for that.
So instead, I use common sense. Common sense tells me that the old masters are clearly identifiable as genuine art, while a Rothko, a Pollock or a late period Picasso is hard to distinguish from wallpaper, barf, or the production of a particularly perturbed child. Best proof: when a teenager easily trolls a modern art exhibition by leaving a pair of glasses on the floor, if thatās not proof positive that modern art is utter bullshit, I donāt know what is.
Worse: common sense also tells me many modern artists are in fact very talented conmen. The best example of this is Jeff Koons: heās been conning rich people out of their money for decades with his giant silver balloon animals. He does the same thing over and over, fattens his wallet, all the while giving interviews with the demeanour of a televangelist and a fake smile that would make Nixon look honest, and itās really starting to show that heās a big fat phoney.
I appreciate that youāve been to art school and you know more about these things than I do. I also appreciate that itās all subjective, and if a Jeff Koons or a Pierre Soulage makes your inner bottle fizz, well then I guess it has artistic value to you. But common sense should prevail. Ordinary folks know a piece of art from bullshit, even if they donāt appreciate it. Itās when you start overthinking it that bullshit starts to look like art, and slick entrepreneurs start taking credulous people for fools.
Iām not sure if that might be because they are ātoldā that a Monet or a van Gogh is art. Like, everyone knows it is classical art, and so they recognize it as such. Itās easy to say something impressive about Beethoven or Tchaikowsky, simply because everyone does (and I like both, from time to time^^).
If āordinary peopleā see all those āclassicalā paintings, in big fat wooden frames, hanging in a museum (or they saw them in college art class, or on TV, or in the papers), itās quite obvious that it has to be art, right? No matter if it means the least bit to them, no matter if they can relate to it or anything - it is art, because someone told them.
I mean, itās easy to praise Shakespeare or Goethe and be on the safe side
And now Iām gonna reveal myself - I like Goethe sometimes, but I really, really donāt like Schiller at all! And I absolutely hate the music of Bach. And Iām not sure if I like van Goghās paintings - and all that stuff was presented to me as ārealā art
I think I like the discussions around it, but ultimately, I just donāt care about art itself - I love what I love and what touches me, no matter if other define it as art or not.
Conversely, if people with common sense see modern art hanging in big fat wooden frames in a museum, itās quite obvious to them that itās overhyped ridiculousness It works both ways.
So are you saying itās art you donāt like, or itās not art to you?
Right you are as always. Itās what it does to you that matters.
Iād say it is art, for people who relate to it or who are affected by it, and it doesnāt matter to art if I like it or not But I wouldnāt differentiate between ārealā art and other. Iām pretty much on the side of āeverything created is (can be) artā⦠for someone, at least. So there is always that individual emotional response to a piece of art, thatās one thing that qualifies something as art. (in my humble opinion, obviously! Iām in no way a professional on that fieldā¦)
And, while thinking about that, I think something also qualifies as art if people start to ask questions, think about stuff, all that - maybe, a pair of glasses left on the floor led to people thinking about what they perceive as art, why they were ātrickedā, how the art industry works, if itās good that it works that way⦠all such things. And I think thatās good - I may not āunderstandā modern art, but I can still think about it
But doesnāt that mean that basically anything can be art? If those glasses, lying on the floor, reminded someone of his grandma, who always left her glasses lying around, reminded him of her kindness and wisdom and such, and he had a sweet memory because of that⦠itās all fine, I guess^^
The answer to your question re the glasses on the floor is: come on, get realā¦
As for stuff thatās pleasing or reminds you of your past, that doesnāt make it art. When I smell gasoline, it reminds me of my Dad because his car had a fuel leak when I was a kid. That doesnāt make it art. Or I enjoy minimalist techno very much, yet I recognize itās more akin to repetitive noise than music.
Technically that could easily be considered performance art, or depending on what the official looking piece of paper actually said could really have been art. If the paper had a title or an artists statement on it then the real art was the piece of paper.
Artistās statements are just bullshit of the highest calibre. So are Architectās⦠āThis building enters into a dialogue with the surrounding environment that leads one to question the essential dichotomies between man and nature and modern and traditional styles.ā
Even the Cantata and fugue in d minor? How can anyone hate that masterpiece?
As for Modern artists being con men, undoubtedly that is true of some, but even a con can be art.
Okay, thatās more of a coincidence - but if someone intentionally creates something that smells of something to remind people of moments in their past life⦠dunno, might be art
But it resonates with you - I mean, there is a reason why you enjoy it. Thatās what I mean, if you like it, if you enjoy it, it might very well be some sort of art - maybe not the kind of art that earns tons of money at an auction, not the art thatās displayed in a musem, but someone managed to arrange those sounds and noises in a way that other people can enjoy it, for various reasons. And thatās artisan work
Yeah, āhatingā is too harsh⦠I just donāt like it much. I recognize itās a masterpiece, technically! But it just doesnāt⦠hm. I donāt feel it. Especially with music, I just need to have an emotional response (or an urge to dance^^). Sorry
So, if that was done by a world renowned artist would that make it more or less art? Even the fact that we are discussing whether this is art or not could be considered sufficient to make it art.
How about the Korean couple who decided that as art materials were left in front of a piece of āartā as part of the art itself they assumed that it was a collaborative piece and that they should paint on it.
Was it art before they added to it? How about afterwards?
The Surrealists and Dadaists promoted āfound artā does the fact that an artist decided it looked good make it art or was it already art and they just highlighted it?
This is not a conversation that really has an answer. I like some non objective art but not all, that doesnāt make the entire thing ānot artā to me.
How can you not dance to⦠Never mind I have no idea how you could dance to that one. I have to say that if there is one piece of Bach that I like it is that.
But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will accept that my musical tastes are very eclectic.
I think tacking on art to something is just a way to enter whatever you tack the word onto into the craptastic world of the rich and famous looking for more ludicrous and outrageous shit to blow their ill-gotten money on, or invest into a scam that might earn them even more money in the future for zero effort, or hide their wealth from the taxman.
My point is, it didnāt use to be like that and people instinctively know it. At best, modern art is a way for the short on talent to legitimize the crap they do, and more often than not, nothing more than a scam.
This explains why I will never be a great artist, I am too honest.
I understand where you are coming from, but I still donāt think itās as straightforward as you make it.
Edinburgh at one point had an art installation that consisted of triangular arrangements of rare gas tubes stuck together to make a tower. That was ugly and the only question it raised on my mind was who paid for this crap.
They also have a gallery of modern art that has sculptures by Henry Moore. I donāt see how anyone could doubt that Henry Moore is an artist. But that is just my opinion.
Iām rebuilding this super heavy Soviet exported drill press from 1976, and Iād like to know what the labels on the switches say.
Also, if you think imperial / metric is bad, Iām removing the 50hz 3 phase IEC frame 80 motor to install a USA power friendly frame 56 single phase motor. Custom adapter plate, here I come.
What is the difference between 220 volts, 3 phase and 380/220 volts, 3 phase (overseas applications)?
220 Volts, 3 Phase
If you have 220 volts and 3 phase power available, the kiln will come with a 3-wire powerblock for the 3 hot wires that give the 3 phase.
Between each hot wire, 220 volts can be measured.
There is no need for a neutral wire to come to the kiln in this case, just an earth ground wire in addition to the 3 hot wires.
380/220 Volts, 3 Phase
If you have 380/220 volts and 3 phase power (like a lot of foreign countries), the kiln will come with a 4-wire powerblock for the 3 hot wires that give 3 phase and one neutral wire.
Between each hot wire, 380 volts can be measured.
Between the neutral and any of the hot wires, 220 volts can be measured.
The kiln circuits are connected to the neutral line and one of the hot lines for each kiln section to provide 220 volts for each kiln section.
In addition to the 3 hot wires and the neutral wire, an earth ground wire is needed as well.