There's an Apex info page?!

hehe, soooooo, not as subtle as I thought :wink:
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It is actually a multifaceted approach.

I know Amal reads through the forums at least daily. :open_book:
Subliminally :brain:
Squeaky wheel :wheel_of_dharma:
Nagging infant :baby:
planting the seed :seedling:

NExT (see what I did there) I convince him, it was his idea :bulb: (I’m fairness, he probably did think of it well before me)

HEY @amal Remember when you came up with that 2in1 xEM+xM1 combo implant idea.
How is that project going ?


Yeah i just updated the vivokey site the other day :slight_smile: … I’m trying hard to get my Mr. Marketer badge!

yeah… to be honest, I don’t see a long life for the Spark line once Apex is out… however, the Spark itself will still be a kind of interesting backup VivoKey identity token. As we start to release services for VivoKey (not just applets for Apex, but honest to goodness services), losing your access to the VivoKey platform due to chip malfunction or external damage would be a serious loss… it will always be good to have a backup of some kind… I will.

Also, to us, “Sparkies” represent a facet of the VivoKey community that were the first to support VivoKey… as we consider transitioning away from making more Spark chips, we’re also thinking up ways to honor the OG Spark members… I know if I were in anyone else’s shoes right now, I’d think hard about setting up my VivoKey profile with a Spark… even if that Spark went into a “backup” location in my body… like my leg or something.


Well played Sir,
Here It Is

Me also

Knowing that I just need to decide where to put my Spark, should I put it between my and finger or save it for the Apex… hmm decisions.

Ahh ok, that’s good to know! might think about putting my Spark in my leg as a backup then, and leave a free spot in my hand.

Any advice on a good spot in the leg to put it?

Depends which Apex you go for

Dont think the flex would fit there well?

not really actually… but your leg is so meaty it really doesn’t matter much… just not right next to bone and you’re good.

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Satakjar was just asking about this. I don’t have any medical training, but here’s some info I put together.


Damn it… I just bought the ultimate implant bundle last week and I can’t even implant it for another month as it’s waiting for me to get there… It seems that was a mistake…

Right got it 2 apex; 1 flex in blade of hand and other 1 as backup on other hand between fingers.

“Babe the guys on the internet told me I need 2!..”



Not a bad idea really… I’ll likely setup one for my car, so having another for other fun uses would be nice… and then a backup, might need 3?

Looks at my hands/arms/legs/ring fingers: YOU get an Apex. YOU get an Apex. Everywhere gets an Apex!


So I’m kinda confused. Everyone is talking like this is right around the corner, but most things on that page say they’re under development. I guess my main concern is should I still implant the spark I just got? My plan was to get a NeXT in both thumb webings and then the spark in my left hand after the pinky.

Should I revise this idea? I mainly wanted to use the spark for unlocking my phone, computer, and various accounts, but Amal made the comment to not even set up a vivokey account with the spark. Is the encryption and security going to that much greater? Also is development going to stop on the spark when the Apex comes out?


Hmm sorry, I typically say the opposite… definitely set up your VivoKey account with the Spark… unless I typed it wrong… where did I say that? In short anyway, the Spark will serve as a great backup access token to your VivoKey profile.


An example @Kinanizer would be your Apex breaks and you get a new one installed, to verify that it’s really you, you could use your Spark as a cryptographic token to get your “backups” put on your new Apex.


I THINK I know where the confusion came from… From some quoted text taken out of context

When you read the full statement, your Point is clear

I hope that clarifies things for you @Kinanizer


Thank you, that makes sense.

That is what confused me, but no I still don’t get Amal’s point. I’m sorry if I’m being dense, but it really just sounds like Amal is advising to not get a spark. Unless by “think hard” he means he would recommend it? Ya, I suppose that would make sense. Okay, then thanks I think I get it now!

Yes you do :+1:

hah sorry… yeah that’s not the typical usage of that phrase… in the context of the discussion the person was considering not getting one… i could have definitely said it better though…

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I’ve been looking for dimensions on the Apex Flex but haven’t had any luck nailing anything down, has this information not yet been released? I know we’re all getting hyped on something that’s still awhile out.

Anyway, just curious as I’ve got my calipers out and I’m measuring spots on my hands. I went with the dimensions of the Flex One beta and found a couple decent spots. Didn’t realize how small the FlexNT was though until I realized I could theoretically put two of them end to end on the blade of my hand. Then it’d just be a matter of which direction I swipe my hand over a reader for which one gets triggered. I seem to have rambled a bit…

TL:DR Apex dimensions plz, calipers are cool, and the FlexNT is comparatively tiny.