Trouble getting a read with smartphones

Have you had any luck yet with a read?

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SO are you aware, that the xSIID has 2 writable sectors ( 0 and 1 ), 0 the first 1k ~ 888 bytes works like the NTAG216 ( such as the xNT and NExT etc ) and you can write to it with TgWriter / NFC Tools etc, the other sector (1) you will need to use NFC shell to write to the chip.

Sounds interesting
Have you seen Roscos

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“SO are you aware, that the xSIID has 2 writable sectors”

Yes, spent a lot of time today setting it up on ubuntu, seems it works …

thanks for the theremin link, didnt know this project … perfect!

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Just FYI
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@krtrttx Maybe you could try to extend the range on your phone? :thinking:

https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/extended-nfc-range-on-phone-scan-a-flexnext-through-hand/7453

Edit: ok, so I had to try this myself.
I have a Sony Xperia 1.the NFC antenna works good, so I initially don’t have a problem, as long as I orient the implant correctly

In any case, I ripped apart a normal tag and placed the coil over my phone, and boy did that make a difference.

I no longer need to “twist” my glassies to get a good read.

Recommended!

Hrmm… I see a 3d-printed phonecase with integrated coil project coming up. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


Yet another edit:
So on my Sony Xperia 1,the range became noticeable better, placing a coil on top.

… But the same procedure on a Samsung galaxy s10 didn’t improve at all.

The antenna designs are vastly different, so I assume th xperia has a more ‘concentrated’ beam, whilst the s10 has a broader coverage but a bit weaker overall signal :thinking::roll_eyes:

In any case, worth trying it out at least.

S10-plus_NFC

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It looks like the coil has no chip or capacitor or anything, just two open leads… basically the coil is not connected to anything… is that the case?

That is correct. I removed the chip from the coil so it’s simply a coil over the existing phone antenna.

Edit: It seems the effect is purely psychological :unamused:
I tried reading a standard magic card, and managed to get a proper read from about 28mm both with and without the coil. - no difference

I then tried using the xfd, and had high hopes I could see a difference, as I got a good light all around the coil.
… But got the same result without the coil. (I think the NFC antenna is about the same size, only square)

I also tried to see if I could get any voltage difference on the proxmark, or increase in range on the xfd, but nothing.

The feel of increased range is simply because I now have a visual representation of where to place my implant, and so I place it correctly on the phone every time :neutral_face:

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Good on you for further testing. It might improve things if you connected a proper capacitor tuned with that coil inductance to resonate at 13.56mhz

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