That is true, but i think it may be possible with a parent/legal guardian present. I hope my parents will se me as old enough then and be present an if not, i will just wait another two years, which might not even be tat bad, considering i will have more time to think about it
For an xSeries install, yes, maybe - if you plan on getting a titan, it’s one of those installs that require a bit more work, most likely scalpel + sutures. My artist (in Cologne) doesn’t do such stuff on minors, I’m not sure how @yeka’s (based in Berlin, if I remember correctly) handles this…
Yeah, xSeries are a bit more “beginner-friendly”, I’d say
But hey, you found the right spot to ponder about all that, think about the advantages and disadvantages, talk to our magnet-master @mrln , gather some experiences, ask all questions that might roam your head and finally make a good, informed decision
Since you just mentioned it: I have one question: so, the xSeries magnets are relatively thin and from what i know, magnets are pretty brittle. I often work/learn with a drawing tablet in school and the pen for it has a relatively strong magnet in it, to stick to the side of the tablet. Is there any way i could accidentally break the implant while using the pen?
not really. you need to slam it reeeeeally hard to break it because all the soft tissue around protect it.
that would probably also break some bones in your hand^
afaik we never had one breaking inside a body.
but i mean it still can happen though^
and yes, the glass is thin. but glass if tension free is a damn strong substance.
They say something about parental consent for <18 when you book, but surely they do not install flexies or magnets in minors.
I will say this about breakage… it seems there might be some risk with the xG3 v1 axial magnet. That’s because the exponential rate at which the strength of the field increases as it getting closer to the pole of the magnet. In theory, there is a small risk that the end cap of the melted glass gets struck with force from an object being attracted to and"snapping" to the tip. The nuance here is that the ends of the glass are melted to seal. The melting and subsequent cooling process creates tension in the glass at this location. The use of a laser and the whole sealing process is adjusted to minimize this tension, however there is still more tension here than along the length of the tube itself.
The end result is that there could be an increased risk that an object slamming into the end of the glass due to the axial magnetization of the xG3 v1 might have enough force, even through tissue, that the end cap could be broken off the end.
Not only have I seen this happen on my desk to unimplanted, loose xG3 v1 magnets rolling around and snapping to metal objects… but we also had a single instance of an xG3 v1 experience the same issue inside a customer.
Of course, more tissue between the poles of xG3 v1 and any external objects is best to mitigate this potential issue.
Whoa isn’t that the first ever confirmed breakage inside a customer?
Yep of an x-series device… first one. But, it’s kind of a cheat haha… it was directly related to the magnet pulling something directly into the glass cap with force… but yes, it’s confirmed… an x-series has broken inside a customer.
I guess I’m not done with this haha… my point about the magnet being a driving issue is that under normal circumstances an external force impacting the implant site would result in the x-series being pushed away, into tissue… and the force itself being dissipated throughout the tissue… but with a magnet pulling the object directly into it, and pulling itself to the object, nothing is dissipated… in fact it’s concentrated… fundamentally different.
Actually this is enough of a concern… we probably won’t make any more xG3 v1 to be honest. If we get any more reports of breakage we’ll prob pull them.
Yeah ofc magnets in glass are extra likely just wanted to confirm this is the first. Would be weird if it never happened haha.
I’ve not seen it happen on my desk nor in a person for the v2 diametric… only the axial because of the pole at the end. I find that bit rather interesting.
Yes, the laser seal theory is also very convincing. I guess some xG3s might have unlucky positioned stresspoints and if you hit it just right it pops.
That should be @mrln’s pronoun
Laser light is absorbed uniformly throughout the glass wall, producing uniform heating and avoiding thermal shock. The laser can also be controlled to produce gradual cooling to avoid any residual stresses. Residual stress can be checked by dipping the glass into oil with a similar refractive index, and passing light through the them under a polarizer. Stress will appear as bright zones, while a stress-free region will be transparent.
It’s very hard to get stress free regions around the edge where the glass has bent over itself to help create the seal;
FYI the shots above are of a stress loaded glass seal, not an ideal seal… but still, those points around the edge are the hardest parts to get stress free, and this is exactly where the glass is snapping off (as you posted);
It’s also why the break is basically perfect.
How old is you dad if magnets weren’t around when he was 20?!?
Sounds like he works in HR. “You need 15 years experience with this new technology before we will hire you…”
Since magnets were discovered in 600 BC i would guess about 2640 years. No, i meant magnet implants not magnets in general.