Vivokey Apex - glass version?

[sigmatic]

Hello! Apologies if this has been asked before, I tried search but no luck.

Is there any possibility of the Vivokey Apex being released as a glass chip instead of the flex type in the future?

[amal]

It’s in the works, no ETA though

[GrimEcho]

It can already be difficult to get the larger applets to install successfully on the flex chips, depending on the implant location and your phone (probably easier if you use a PC reader).

I imagine that the coupling on a glass chip would be worse.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

I was going to answer similar to @GrimEcho

If you can, definately go for a Flex.

as Grim mentioned, you will need really good coupling with the Glassie and for longer than most due to the time it takes to write large applets.
The glassie will be great, but I think your experiece will be better with a Flex.

A @hamspiced resonant repeater will definately help here if you are set on a glassie.

Is the Flex a concern for you because:
Needle too big?
Installer harder to find?
You don’t have the hand real-estate to fit a Flex?

[sigmatic]

The installer I have for the usual glass transponders said he doesn’t have the flexes currently as he said they’re a lot more prone to failure (?) so he doesn’t do them anymore. So that’s why I was hoping for glass potentially.

Thanks all for the input, I’ll have a think.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@sigmatic

he said they’re a lot more prone to failure (?)

Amal will have actual figures, I can only comment on what I see here on the forum.

I would say your installer is technically correct.
HOWEVER,
“More prone” still doesn’t mean many nor frequent.
The failures I have seen have been from experimental implants, or placement in areas they shouldn’t be (knife edge / P5).

Some faliures were due to the installer not making a cavity large enough and bending when forcing it in.
There was an issue with some chips on the new style pcb flex boards, but that has been remedied.

Here’s some more info on how robust Flexies are.

Tests we've performed on our flex implants

If you’ve not seen the test section for our x-series implants, that’s definitely worth a look… but this post is the place where all of our test data on flex devices will be accumulated over time. Installation safety alert We do have an updated safety alert for flex implants, so that’s the first thing I want to make everyone aware of. This alert involves the installation of certain flex implants along the knife edge of the hand (position 5). Lab testing for ISO10993 The following tests were pe…

I have a number of Flexies still in me., I have removed one (expired custom payment implant) and I moved positions of another.
Zero failures.

I currently have a Vivokey Apex Flex in P1 and I have had that since it was first released.

There is also a limited warranty

Update on Dangerous Things warranty coverage

Hello everyone. Lately we have been challenged a few different ways with our warranty policy. We’ve had to make some critical changes to the way we handle warranty claims. The biggest change is the warranty policy as it applies to flex vs x-series. Flex products are simply too easy for customers and untrained installers to mishandle, that we are limiting the warranty significantly. Of course, we can decide to side with and support the customer on a case by case basis, and most likely will do so,…

Get Flexie

[LabRat]

Thanks PM. The question of flex reliability has been a concern for me. It’s really helpful to see a balanced roundup of the information on this subject.

[tac0s]

Those in the DT club can check out some of the testing @Satur9 did leading up to the release of the Apex Flex. Personally, I don’t have worries.