Hello Everyone! I understand that this is an implant from a separate company entirely, but I was not sure where else to ask these questions.
A few months ago, I was considering getting an Apex Flex, though I decided against it as I was too much of a coward to go through with a flex installation.
I came across this implant, which appears to be effectively identical in function to an Apex Flex.
If somebody can confirm that I am understanding this correctly, or correct me if I’m wrong, it would be much appreciated!
Also has anyone had any experiences with this company, or see any major ‘red flags’ with this device?
I currently have a NExT in my left wrist between my Ulnar bone and flexor digitorum tendons, and more recently an xMagic just outside of my 5th Metacarpal in my right hand, and I’ve never feared them breaking, but the 3mmx32mm of the Z-1 seems quite large for glass. Should I worry about it breaking at that size?
Also I’m wondering if the read performance would be comparable to an Apex Flex, considering this is even longer than that at 28mm in length.
Sorry, I didn’t realize they had named everything Z-1 Encrypter. That is also the name of their ring which is what I thought you were referencing.
To be clear: that product does not exist. We are working towards it but the final form factor is not yet known.
Flexes tend to have better performance in terms of range than x-series. I don’t have narrow flexes just discs but those that speak up about the install experience say it’s not much different from an x-series. A disc or wide flex, however, requires scalpel work.
Okay, I see. Thank you for the clarification on its existence, as I did not catch it. The mobile version of that website is a bit hard to use.
I’m thinking it may be best to get the Apex Flex, but I saw an opportunity for an easier install.
I am excited for this to (hopefully?) become an option however. I am unsure how long I can trust polymer to last without wearing out or breaking down, but I’m sure the temptation will get me someday lol. I just need to do more research on flexies.
I’ve had a flex installed for >3.5 years with no issues. I’ve had two more since. Flex longevity has a pretty direct correlation to placement. If you put then somewhere that doesn’t move or bend much, they’re fine The back of a wrist like a watch is pretty common for an Apex.
Ooh, that’s some good stuff! If I were to do an Apex Flex it would probably be just on the inside of my left Radius bone, maybe an inch or so down from where my watch lands. Should stay pretty stationary and flat, and easy to access with my phone.
Most of my worries come down to 10-20 years from now or so. I’ll have to read the reports in that post when I’m home, but the videos paint a pretty solid picture of what you’re getting at. I appreciate your time and effort linking that.
I know this is off topic entirely, but it should be pretty comical if and when some of us start getting cremated and crematorium techs start finding (mostly glass, if they’ll survive it) implants in the dust.
Not to derail, but I suppose I need to go read up on temperatures of bioglass melting points and cremation oven temps. I’ll post back here if I remember lol.
Update: I realise that has been tested thousands of times before. Pet cremations are pretty common, and pet ID implants are even more common.
From what I’ve read the 1400-1800f is enough to physically reduce those implants to functionally nothing, so I’d say it’s pretty safe to say it would be the same for us, unfortunately.
Sadly we will not be sweeped into an electronics recycling plant lol.
Time to put something in my will saying they need to be removed if someone in the family wants them lol.
If it gives you any peace of mind, the installation of an apex flex with needle felt about the same as all my x-series installs. It definitely might seem more intimidating with the larger needle but its really not much different as far as pain goes. Its quick and easy!
My main issue wasn’t the pain of the larger needle, it was the shoving-the-implant-in after that, since (from my understanding) the needle on the flex install is used as more of a cutting instrument rather than a one-and-done installation tool like the X-Series (once again please correct me if I’m wrong).
The extra time and steps would be my main concern, as Lidocaine has never worked on me. I can deal with the pain just fine, but I get shaky after the first few seconds which could lead to a failed install if my installer isn’t quick enough.
Eh, it’s the same. There just isn’t an injector. The 4g needle is also single use.
Admittedly, I’ve only been on the doing the stabbing end of the big guy but it doesn’t take much longer. There’s more time prepping, for sure, as the installer needs to be extra careful because they will be sliding the implant in by hand. If you want, i can send you some links to installs.
I appreciate it, but no I’m okay personally. I have seen a few videos of flex installs of implants of similar dimensions to the apex, along with I think one apex install. They could be worse.
Thankfully my wallet is forcing me to take my time and think about getting one before pulling the trigger. I am still recovering financially from my xMagic I had installed November 5th. (The puncture is healed over and has only a tiny scab, inflammation is gone, and it barely hurts to put pressure on it, so in another week or two it should be 100% healed, Woo!)
Either way, I’d have to find a way to convince my installer to do it lol
If I could trade my Apex for the glass form factor I don’t think I would. I would also consider P3 if it’s an option for you, I was originally planning to do near the watch area, and last minute changed my mind to do P3 and I am very glad I did.
It’s easier to interact with readers that are stationary. And I like how nicely it sits between the metacarpals.
I think arm and hand can both work for basically every reader, it’s just more difficult in the arm, and the extra time spent getting a read adds up. There is only one reader I physically couldn’t reach if it was in the arm, and it’s my Tesla in the wireless charging pad where the keycard scans.
The back of a wrist like a watch is pretty common for an Apex.
It definitely might seem more intimidating with the larger needle but its really not much different as far as pain goes. Its quick and easy!