Could you guys rig up a jig that goes on a sewing machine, where the bobbin goes and use your foot pedal to control the speed.
Or
something like a fishing rod spool
Or
make a custom variable speed motor winding jig???
Just some “easier said than done” thoughts for you both
Thinking of getting one of THESE winding machines. It’s pretty obviously chinese origin, and there’s a bunch of them out there if you look around. This company, US Solid, reminds me very much of harbor freight. They’ve actually got a couple versions, but to work with tiny stuff, I think this cheap basic version, with modifications.
Specifically;
Needs an anti-reversing feature. That will allow you to stop without having your coil unspool into a nasty snarl of wire. Could be as simple as a spring riding over the gears one way, but catching them the other.
A wire spool holder with some kind of built in tensioner. Even something as simple as a little friction on the spool.
The threaded rod is way too big to be of any use. I’m thinking cut if off, and attach a small drill chuck. Then I can keep using my superglue to a nail method of holding ferrite cores.
The name says electric / manual. Apparently that’s so you can attach a motor / belt to the provided pulley. Seems like a mostly bad idea to me. Also kinda hinkey.
Gotta love the warning on it.
“Due to the shaking of the transportation process, the shaft may be slightly bent when you receive. Then just knock the shaft with a wooden hammer, it will be straight soon.”
I’ve looked at purchasing machine tools for a company I worked for years ago, and I was in contact with a French importer of cheap Chinese lathes and milling machines. I asked them why some of them came with belt pulleys / external motor options, when all the others had an integrated motor. They told me those machines are marketed for sweatshops in the Indian subcontinent that still have line shafts.
So that previous coil was about 4 layers, unknown number of turns.
Using the Microwinder I was able to get 6 layers, very neatly wound, not perfect, just neat, on a 2mm core with 791 turns. Inductance was 5.95mH. Outside Diameter was 3.13mm.
For reference, I’m trying to fit into these glass tube specs.
Need more turns. But no room for it. Gonna try smaller cores, but having difficulties holding on to them. I have ideas, need to explore some more.
Also, if it works, then I still have to miniaturize, but it if it won’t miniaturize, then it’s irrelevant if it works. Basically, if I can’t solve this problem the whole thing is a waste of time.
That all or nothing mentality is why so many amazing projects go unfinished.
Building a larger model is not a separate process from the finished product, it is a critical step to making the finished product. You’ll learn background information along the way which will not just save you time, but result in a better end product.
Don’t be too lazy to make things easier on yourself, or you’ll spend 3 times as long smacking your head against a brick wall hoping to get through, rather than spotting the edge and walking around.
I’ve been there man, I know how it is. I just want to help.
I second this, proof of concept and prototyping is really important, you’ll learn and realize things you never even considered. If you make it bigger then potential problems get bigger and easier to notice like background noise or interference for example (this is a general example I’m not specifically talking about your project)
Had a chat with the test engineer at our factory. They made me a handful of these. They are tuned for 55hz. They don’t work. I can send them to you to play with if you want. They might work for 220v though… I only tested with 120v.
Hmmm. That’s a real bummer. I already tried a low Inductance coil with a larger 1F supercap. That didn’t work either. We can’t really go the other way with a larger inductor because we’re limited on space and there will be too much resistance in the wire. I’ll talk with Amal about it. Maybe I can crack one open and hook it up the the VNA to determine the actual resonant peak.
I also considered going to a flat pancake style coil such as the flex series use. I have absolutely no idea how those are wound (on a bobbin?) or how they retain shape without unwinding (superglue?).
I considered busting one open too, so I could check inductance. But, theyre such pretty little things. Such fine wire too. Finer than the 40awg I have.
Here’s a video
They have a machine with two vertical plates that spin. They put a machined coil form on one of the plates, feed in the magnet wire, sandwich the two plates together, and then spin the whole thing while dripping adhesive on it radially until they’ve reached the correct number of turns.
It’s a real bitch to get them to do it at the quantities we need.
It’s a “Vector Network Analyzer”. Step up from an oscilloscope. You can use it to analyze antenna properties.