Hello there,
I’m in love with making my own DIY implant. I runned into problem with choosing biocopatible material to apply on implant. I searched hours and tried many ways to get some, but it’s a bit harder than it seemed. I sticked out as best material for me would be silicone, but lot of really great like nusil med-6010 etc… are hard to get as an individual with this hobby. Here are lot of you experienced more than I’m and I was hoping if you can give me some advice or product that is best to use and basicly avaible. If you know some useful advice I would really welcome that, because I’m basicly stuck at this step. Any help means lot to me.
Trying to handle encapsulation yourself is frankly more trouble than it’s worth - you might wanna consider DT’s custom work, it’s pricey but amal takes your doohickey and encapsulates it for you. I went through this process and I have a payment conversion arriving on monday
You’d have to discuss with him on the specifics of your project, but yeah, it’s easier to just farm this part out to someone with more experience than anyone else in this little cottage industry
I’m starting with basic magnet we all know. But I would like to try more. There is no problem with magnet or future implants but with material. If you have some suggestions I would be more than happy to hear it. Thank you
You can already just buy magnets that have silicone, parylene, resin, or titanium encapsulation. Seems silly to do it yourself, but information should be free so here you go.
If you’re just doing it for your own entertainment then the cheapest and most accessible option would probably be HDPE. You can thermoform it and it can even friction weld to itself. You’ll likely encounter issues with moisture infiltration. The walls will have to be thick enough. Also the porosity of the weld may require either degassing the material beforehand or doing the heat steps under a vacuum. You’d want to use SmCo magnets to get the best field strength results in the final product even though they’re weaker, because NdFeB will at least minorly demagnetize in higher temperatures. It’s a gradient as you approach the curie temp.
Not the best idea, but it’s accessible and has a good chance of working. Test your samples thoroughly and ask for advice if you go that route. Beyond the fidelity of the encapsulation, you’ll also want to check if it’s leaching or mechanically sloughing microplastics.
There are two part medical resins available from Henkel (Loctite). I don’t recommend them unless you know what you’re doing though. Getting the green bottom layer that holds up your payload to properly crosslink with the fresh resin you pour on top without allowing moisture infiltration at the seam is a huge chore, and requires a lot of equipment to do properly.
Thank you very much. This is really helpful to me and i will try how it goes. I know how to make it work… or how can it work. Thank you again I will follow your guide.
This is a small nuance but what @Satur9 provided was information, not a guide. The difference is, a guide you follow without understanding what you’re actually doing… you just follow the steps. Because of this, guides for doing potentially lethal things like making implantable devices yourself just do not exist… the guide would have to account for all kinds of variables that are impossible to account for to provide a perfect step by step guide.
Inversely, information requires you to interpret it, understand it, and then form a plan using the information you acquired… build your own guide for yourself to follow. The information provided above is just enough to start you down the correct research path. It is critical you understand all the potential problems and issues involved, which are not explained above (but some are called out). If you decide to take this information and make a thing that ends up hurting you, that’s on you… @Satur9 did not provide a guide to making safe implants.
Thank you for reply. I studied whole bunch of options and its my hobby. I know its not a complete “guide” but i can figure it out. Couple weeks i was searching and studying but only thing that i cant get over is exact material. Processes and how it works i know at least needed amount. It helped me as start and new corner to uncover. Biohacking is art to me and I’m happy to share and get more knowledge. Everything is helpful and exciting. I will run couple of experiments and I will see how it works. Again thank you for help and have a nice day.
Glad to hear it. Mostly though I commented to clarify for future readers… a lot of people come looking for step by step info, so I wanted to make a clear distinction as to what it is we are talking about here on the forum… we share information
Yeah definitely. If I was writing step by step instructions It would be in more of a technical writing format with multiple people weighing in with their expertise. This is just a discussion of the pros and cons of various options you have, more for fun exploration and to a certain degree it serves as harm reduction. If you’re going to move forward without thinking things through and continuing to bounce your ideas around with the community as you go then you’re just going to hurt yourself, there’s no question. Please be careful and let us know what you’re thinking before you pursue anything. I just feel obligated to share information that I’ve learned over the years from the community that is either sequestered in walled garden platforms or has been lost to archive like the biohack.me forum. Absolutely not a guide there’s so much you’ll have to figure out about process steps and equipment to buy and stumbling blocks to overcome yet before you’ll have anything resembling viable. I’m also not the authority on the matter. Luckily there’s a robust community of grinders that you can tap for knowledge and resources.
You could definitely use silicone if you want, but all encapsulation methods have their strengths and weaknesses, and in this case sourcing seems to be your biggest issue.
Thank you. This whole topic and hobby isnt something to underestimate. In the end, someone who dont fully understand it and do all without some knowledge how it works, it might cause serious problems. And thats why I ask people who might know a lot more than me. This is why it fascinate me. How everything works. Body and implants. Its just really interesting topic. So thank you for tips and I will try do some internal experiments until it will be as safe as possible. Stay safe👍
I know virtually nothing about this stuff though I know enough to say every material has a different process and different things to look out for. Without knowing what material you’ll use, you can’t really know the process.
Yeah I wrote exact opposite😅
I meant external of course. I will not test something potentialy dangerous on my body. Thank for correcting me:sweat_smile:
Yes. There is no need to hurry at all and I will try materials one by one with different experiments depending on which type or material I’m using. Sooner or later there will be one suitable. I will tell if I make any progress. It might take weeks even months to try more variants. This topic can grow and help with discudions more and more and we can get somewhere to help eachother.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. They are really usefull and i take them. And as you talk about atom adhesives fda16 I would like to ask what is use for it because this is first time hearing about that. I searched of course, but I didnt really get the exact information. Thank you.
