Concerns about xM1 and readers

Hi all,

This is my first post here. I understand it may be a tad long, but I want to make sure the chip will work before I put it in. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :slight_smile:

I recently purchased an xM1 kit with the intention to get it installed and use it to with my work’s door access system. After receiving the kit and testing things out with the included field detector and diagnostic card, I’m having a few doubts about whether the implant will even work.

Our office uses mostly AptiQ/Schlage MT11 readers and some (I think, don’t know exact model, but looks similar from Google image) Schlage AD200 “MT” style door locks (the one without keypad). As for cards, we use Schlage 9520, which is a MF 1k card, which is why I went for the xM1. Does anyone have experience with these readers/cards and can confirm that an xM1 would work?

I haven’t been able to try on the AD200, but I did try the MT11. With the diagnostic card, it blinks strongly with LF and HF. When I try to use the HF field detector, I get no light whatsoever. I tried it in multiple orientations and positions. Vertical, horizontal, all over the reader with no luck. I even tried turning off the lights to see better, but saw nothing. I read in a few other posts that some readers have a low-power mode that only reads a card when a large antenna is presented. I tried using both the diagnostic card and an actual access card to see if this was the case, but still couldn’t get the field detector to light up. Any ideas on how to test further?

I believe the MT11 reader can do both HF and LF, but we use Mifare Classic 1k cards. I work in IT with one of the guys that enrolls access cards. I might ask him if it’s possible to enroll an LF card, then get an LF field detector and try that out. Maybe an LF chip like an xEM or NExT would read better?

Thanks for taking the time read and help out. I’m really excited to get chipped and start using it, but I don’t want to jump the gun.

Have you considered flexM1? You can do that with slightly bigger needles, and it has dramatically better read range.

You could always try. If you’re willing to risk it, you could eject the chip into a very clean bag full of alcohol and test it. at the reader. I’d put thet bag in another bag with alcohol until install day then.* Your installer would have to install with a usual piercing needle.

* i have no idea if that’s even enough to prevent infection, you probably don’t wanna do what I say as it’s dangerous

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My work reader literally won’t light up a field detector, but I can get my xem to read

The field detectors can be pickier than the chips sometimes

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I actually have considered this, and I have have no issue with it myself. However I feel like in my area (Topeka, KS), I’ll have a hard enough time finding an installer willing to do the x series implants, let alone the flex series.

Not too keen on this idea. Once again, I’m trying to make it easier for a local piercer to say yes. Walking in with a bag of alcohol and a chip seems like a quick way to a no. Not to mention a too risky for my taste.

I was beginning to wonder this. Was it too hard to find out how to orient it just right, or does it work pretty well? What kind of reader is it?

I believe it’s a Honeywell Omniprox 30

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This is the presentation I have to do,
I have my chip facing sideways, and then move it straight down in a swipe motion, and it will pop around the green circle
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Kinda weird, because I would expect it work better in a vertical orientation if moving vertically… and for it to pop at the top and bottom ends of the antenna

Or to work better swiping horizontally if chip is horizontal, but nope that’s what it likes

I never got the field detectors to light up on this reader

Decided to bite the bullet and put it in little over a week ago and concerns no more!

I finally got my new xM1 to read on the readers at work and let me tell you. That first beep was the best beep I’ve ever heard.

Not going to lie, I was kinda impatient and was beginning to lose hope of it ever working of our work readers after having it scan on both my phone and Proxmark, but not the wall readers. I guess I’m just impatient and that swelling really matters. :sweat_smile: I kept at it though and fiddled for it a little bit before badging into work everyday. Now that I got it to work, it’s pretty easy to hit the sweet spot consistently. @Eriequiet , it’s actually quite similar to what you suggested, except it seems to work better if I start in the middle of the reader and swipe upwards.

Thanks for all of your reassurance. Having this work makes it 110% with the pain. Now to decide what to get in the other hand… :grin:

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Never a truer statement has been said…OK well some others.
But you are correct

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