Different devices for one implant

[gatsu]

So I may have dove into some products before researching everything. I got a Hornady Rapid Safe 4800KP which works great. The crappy thing is that I also want this to work with my building which uses HID readers and expects HID Fobs. I have had success in cloning the HID creds to a T5577 card so I know that works, and I figure I could do the same for the safe which expects EM410x.

My vision is that I want my NeXT 2 to work with both use-cases. My doors are the higher priority but I’m having a hard time pairing a HID fob to the safe, and my building manager said he’d be willing to put my implant on the system but we can’t play around with it too much so I’m wondering if it is possible to get these working together somehow before I finalize the implant with my building. I just don’t know where to start.

Here’s my two fobs the first is the one to the safe something I plan to toss once I get the implant working and the second is my home fob

[usb] pm3 → lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags…
[=]
[+] EM 410x ID 011532A152
[+] EM410x ( RF/64 )
[=] -------- Possible de-scramble patterns ---------
[+] Unique TAG ID : 80A84C854A
[=] HoneyWell IdentKey
[+] DEZ 8 : 03318098
[+] DEZ 10 : 0355639634
[+] DEZ 5.5 : 05426.41298
[+] DEZ 3.5A : 001.41298
[+] DEZ 3.5B : 021.41298
[+] DEZ 3.5C : 050.41298
[+] DEZ 14/IK2 : 00004650606930
[+] DEZ 15/IK3 : 000552579401034
[+] DEZ 20/ZK : 08001008041208050410
[=]
[+] Other : 41298_050_03318098
[+] Pattern Paxton : 21421906 [0x146DF52]
[+] Pattern 1 : 5779754 [0x58312A]
[+] Pattern Sebury : 41298 50 3318098 [0xA152 0x32 0x32A152]
[+] VD / ID : 001 / 0355639634
[+] Pattern ELECTRA : 277 3318098
[=] ------------------------------------------------

[+] Valid EM410x ID found!

[=] Couldn’t identify a chipset
[usb] pm3 → lf search

[=] Note: False Positives ARE possible
[=]
[=] Checking for known tags…
[=]
[+] [H10301 ] HID H10301 26-bit FC: 77 CN: parity ( ok )
[+] [ind26 ] Indala 26-bit FC: 1232 CN: parity ( ok )
[=] found 2 matching 26-bit formats

[=] Trying with a preamble bit…
[+] [ind27 ] Indala 27-bit FC: 4712 CN:
[+] [indasc27] Indala ASC 27-bit FC: 5581 CN:
[+] [Tecom27 ] Tecom 27-bit FC: 854 CN:
[=] found 3 matching 27-bit formats

[=] raw: 00000000000000

[+] Valid HID Prox ID found!

[+] Chipset… T55xx
[?] Hint: Try lf t55xx commands

edit: formatting

[amal]

@gatsu

I figure I could do the same for the safe which expects EM410x

@gatsu

I’m having a hard time pairing a HID fob to the safe

This is the problem. The safe is not compatible with HID Prox cards. You’ll need two implants as the T5577 can only be set up as one type of credential at a time.

[Aoxhwjfoavdlhsvfpzha]

What kind of HID readers are they?

[Not]

I could have sworn I saw a thread that showed that it was possible to put two credentials on one t5577. I remember that it depended on what readers were involved…

For the life of me I cannot find it, but I feel like this would be the perfect use case.

[TSMC55]

I remember it. Pretty sure it was two EM credentials. I am sure Pilgrim will post a link shortly. I couldn’t find it either.

[TSMC55]

Wow. Look at me beating Pilgrim! Found it!

Hack: store 2 to 3 different EM41xx on a single T5577

I didn’t think this would work, but amazingly it does: you can have more than one EM UID on a single implant. And it works pretty good too! So, a bit of background: as you may know, my SiRFIDaL RFID login software for Linux can work with two different kinds of readers: repeating (or continuous) readers and one-shot readers. The former send whatever is in the field repeatedly (or can be polled continuously), while the latter only send the UIDs of tags that come into the field once. Repeating re…

[amal]

@Not

I could have sworn I saw a thread that showed that it was possible to put two credentials on one t5577

Yes but only two EM41xx IDs.. not two different types of credentials. That’s because hid prox and EM both require different analog frontend configurations.

[Not]

Yeah I see that now. If I were savvy enough to hunt down the post I would have noticed.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Not

I could have sworn I saw a thread that showed that it was possible to put two credentials on one t5577.

Yep, I remember it well, but

@TSMC55

I am sure Pilgrim will post a link shortly

no need, because

@TSMC55

Wow. Look at me beating Pilgrim!

By many hours

@TSMC55

Found it!

Boom, nice work.

@Not

If I were savvy enough to hunt down the post

Sometimes it’s tricky unless you remember
specific details, the wording and/or the person who posted it.
Remembering that you saw it was a good enough prompt for @TSMC55 to dig it out