More importantly, did you implant Flex implants with compromised bio coating?
Yeah probably lol, unknowingly. They’re in my knife edges, 1 per hand.
I gotta get them out soon hopefully, bloody covid
Don’t wait too long to get them out. There’s a fair chance the biopolymer has been breached by your tools, and your bodily fluids may be in contact with non-biocompatible innards of the implants. I hope not for your sake, but if it’s happened, that’ll soon turn into major bad news.
I’ve never understood choosing the knife edge. Anybody who’s ever banged their fist on a table would immediately dismiss it as a valid option.
It’s an awfully convenient location for payment in particular.
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Mh, feeling bad for you…
How long did you have them in? Did you do anything “unusual” with your hands that might have lead to a trauma?
If they really failed because of the tools, I would a) get them out as soon as possible, for the reasons Rosco stated and b) talk to your installer about it (he might be taking them out anyway), so he knows that they have to be handled more carefully if he ever implants flexies again.
I guess a broken encapsulation is equally bad everywhere xD
And using it with a phone looks kinda cool aswell!
I’m kind of windering if was an encapsulation failure or failed due to location related
I went to the ER (nobody else open 
) and they just brushed me off, said it was “cosmetic” and told me to see a dermatologist.
I’m not doing anything on the 25th but should I go back and press harder on the 26th? I don’t want to blow it out of proportion but I also don’t want to leave it if it needs to come out.
Realistically, what’s the chance that 2 implants implanted at the same time and then fail so close to each other were just both bad and not a implantation error? I don’t even remember clearly if the dude used tweezers on my implants but i saw the video that amal posted hitting the implant with a screwdriver and hammer so is it really that big a deal?
That test shows how robust the implants really are.
I am very surprised that 2 implants at the same would fail.
What tests have you done to confirm?
I think the “big deal” is more the risk of bio-fouling.
If tools were used, and they have damaged the surface of the bio-polymer, this may provide an area for this to occur.
Do you have any sign of infection?
FYI
if you are not familiar with biofouling use the forum search function, and you will find a few explanations, such as this one
Seriously? That’s crazy. Did you explain the implants’ biological inertness might be compromised?
ikr? one failed, and then literally the day i got the warranty replacement in the mail, the other failed. about 3-4 weeks between them failing.
I’ve attempted to read their ID’s with the KBR1, read their ID’s with a ubiquiti access NFC lock, read their NDEF data with a Samsung S10+, attempted reads with the NXP provided taginfo app, and NFC Tools Pro app. The only thing I can think of is a proxmark (edit: oops) but i don’t have one. Good idea though, I’ve sent off a help request to my local hackerspace, someone there should have one.
Hm, maybe not? I haven’t noticed any infection,redness, swelling, etc from an infection. Really, the only thing I have to go on is them failing and I don’t see how a biofilm will affect that, unless it absorbs 13mhz better than my swelling did right after implantation.
I tried but i got kinda shuffled out. unless something comes up I’m going to go back and be a bit more firm on the 26th. gd christmas grumble grumble
The thing is, if the coating is damaged, you may not get a full-on infection, but the device might be releasing nasty stuff in your bloodstream, like metallic compounds and whatnot. I’m surprised a medical professional didn’t consider this an emergency.
Then again it’s the ER. You can find the best and the worst of medical profession at the ER. Sounds like you were dealt with by the latter.
The more I research the biopolymer the more I’m thinking that it’s not damaged. it wasn’t handled at all roughly by the installer, the tweezers he used were blunt and IIRC plastic coated, I just can’t remember if he held my skin up with them or the implant itself.
In any case, unless i can get a proxmark in a few days, I’m gonna kick up a storm and get them pulled out, they’re old and busted anyways. I need some new hotness installed when the pandemic is over.
What worries me is that they failed inside your body. If your installed damaged them with his tool, they’d have gone in dead. But they failed later, meaning something is cooking under your skin. Possibly your bodily juices attacking the internals of the implants.
Either that or you did something really rough with your hands that you don’t remember.
Or I’m just unlucky. I’m not willing to risk my poor handerinos waiting for a piercer to open back up to do a proper swap so i’m getting them out asap, but with my luck they’re just regular broken.
The most physical activity I do is drop my hand onto the KBR1 reader from about 3 inches up. No other serious trauma in that area.
Maybe someone nearby has a EMP they’re testing and it’s frying my implants. Quick, who has a spectrum analyzer!? :tinfoil-hat:
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One dead implant, maybe. Two dead implants in short order? Mighty unlikely.
Either that or Amal disabled them using the DT mind control box, because it’s Christmas but you’ve been a naughty boy!
Hey, may I remind you that the ER sent me away as well, refusing to take out my implant when my hand was already swollen, red and hot? 
That they send people away who have no (obvious) signs of infection or “damage” (except for dead implants they won’t understand anyways), especially if the ER is as overcrowded as it usually is, doesn’t really surprise me.
I think it is very unlikely that your installer damaged the chips - it seems like they worked for some time, and an obvious damage would have lead to them not working at all, like Rosco said. Tweezers without protective stuff might maaaaybe lead to damage of the biopolymer, though I think this is relatively unlikely as well - if they did, things might get serious because of
, but normally, you would show at least some tiny signs of your body reacting to that. If you poke your implants a bit, is there any sensation that’s different to before? Not necessarily “painful”, just different than normal…
Now this one is really strange. Again, just for better understanding, how long did you have the implants inside you?
And, more of a question to the community, did anyone hear of flexies of that shape failing? I thought they were pretty robust, but since Karikamiya has them both placed on the same spot and both failed shortly after each other, I’m thinking of any activity or movement that might have had some impact on the implants (maybe unknowingly, like some movement while sleeping or something like that).
Currently I’m thinking this
is the most likely reason… 
That’s really unfortunate, @karikamiya. Sorry you have to deal with this bullshit, especially now.
I doubt the implants mechanically failed. They’re pretty robust and some people put them through some seriously tough conditions. I might have missed it, but you never said how long you’ve had them in?
As for the encapsulation being compromised, without more information I would say that’s the most likely explanation. The biopolymer is very rugged, but not very “hard”. Even the slightest pressure with a metal tool can easily penetrate the coating, and a pinhole is all it takes to doom the implant. Your body juices are very reactive and prolonged exposure will certainly break down the connection between the chip and the antenna. For a flexNT and a flexDF2 there’s not really much dangerous material to get into your bloodstream (not like a failing magnet). Definitely get them out as soon as you can, but it’s probably not an “emergency”.
Examine them after you get them out. If they’re compromised you’ll likely see dirty liquid inside the implant envelope.
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