Give us some details about your employer, (or even name drop)
And your state/country, laws vary
Thereās a lot of difference between McDonaldās and the CIA, and context can matter
Are you confirming you never wrote work ids onto your chips?
I agree and then some,
If you just roll over and quit, it sets a precedent that employers can do this and get away with it, And thatās bad for all of us
I would highly suggest you seek legal representation, it might not cost you what you think, many places will take a cut rather than up front, if the case looks easy enough
Stupid question, and I donāt agree with it fully,
But can you just SAY you removed them?
What are they going to do X-ray you? Or massage your hand?
Honestly @darkdragon885 if you like your job and you want to keep it but theyāre acting like this, open a claim with the EEOC. Theyāll reach out to your employer and tell them this is beyond the scope of your employment contract and hopefully you can avoid any legal shenanigans.
That could be a stretch. It doesnāt fall under any of the discrimination areas.
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Under the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against someone (applicant or employee) because of that personās race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. It is also illegal to retaliate against a person because he or she complained about discrimination, filed a charge of discrimination, or participated in an employment discrimination investigation or lawsuit.
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I wrote out a whole bunch more but lost it before I could post it. so the abridged version below
Playing devils advocate here
Your employer can ask you to remove them
You can say no (This is a no brainer so I wonāt expand on reasons)
Your employer can ask you not to use your implants for work purposes.
This is understandable; they are afraid of what they donāt understand. It is not up to you to teach and inform, but it would be in your best interest to put together an āeducation packageā
You have been issued an access card, you have copied that card. Your original data is now a security risk.
If you are now only only using your implant, your original card should be handed back.
If your original card was lost or stolen, you would be less likely to know it was missing.
Any security breach that occurred due to this would be your responsibility and you would be to blame for the consequences.
Alternatively, if your access card is also printed with ID details, photo etc and needs to be displayed / carried anyway, what is the point of the implant?
Remember, these are not MY views, but understandable views / opinions from āthe other sideā
My problem is not that I canāt use the implant. They are not offering the option not to use it for work. They are telling me if I want to keep my job I have to remove them. So yes I can say no but I have to decide if this fight is worth it or not. Right now all I use my chip for is opening my garage. They also want me to remove my spark 2 which they also donāt understand. It is a good job for a good company, so I am really not having an easy time figuring this out. I wrote a small āresearch paperā but I have to decide if I am willing to risk the job, since I know the vp wonāt listen my next step is to send the info straight to the owner/ceo. So Iām just trying to figure out how hard I want to fight. Thanks for the devils advocate but believe me Iām already surrounded by them.
Your employer can ask you to remove them Sure they can. I can ask you a million bucks also.
You can say no (This is a no brainer so I wonāt expand on reasons) In addition, they canāt fire you for saying no if the implant doesnāt conflict with your job description. I donāt know what you do, but Iād be surprised if your implant prevented you from doing your work, or interfered with the companyās operations in any way.
Your employer can ask you not to use your implants for work purposes. Perfectly legit demand
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You have been issued an access card, you have copied that card. This might be ground for termination if you did it without telling them. They could possibly sue you under the DMCA too Your original data is now a security risk although to be fair, if you could clone your card, it was a security risk from the get-go .
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Thatās correct. He went the āofficialā way by asking permission first, and his wanting to do things right is what landed him in this pickle, sadly enough Thatās why I wrote āif you did it without telling themā. Entirely hypothetical.
Not to be cliche, but lawyers are like guns, once somebody pulls one out, everybody has to.
Get legal representation. Donāt work this on your own or with non legal advice. Just donāt.
Often times a well written lawyers letter is enough to back this kind of crap off, sometimes more is needed. Your lawyer will know exactly what to do and the magic words that other lawyers know mean business.
She /He can also help protect you against trying some corporate back door shit. Once an issue is addressed LEGALLY, retribution / harrassment becomes a big damn deal.
I donāt know how it works in the US nowadays, or the particular industry darkdragon885 works in, but I would ratchet it up personally: try to knock some sense into the management first (in writing, on record, letting them know in no uncertain terms that this will escalate if no gentlementās agreement is reached), union rep second if available, file a EEOC complaint third, attorney last.
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