I am so damn pissed! 🤬

I want to start off with saying I am not a lawyer, none of this is meant to be guidance for what you do.

If I was in your situations, I would first determine if I really need to work at this place or not. That should be the deciding thing. Do I need food and a roof? Can I get another job in a month?

If I were to decide that I would like to continue work there, but I don’t want to remove my chips, I would consider letting them know they are violating my religious rights. By saying I do not have bodily autonomy, I am a card carrying member of the Satanic Temple who says I do.

If they still say it is a security issue, I would order 4 of the pet chips online, and give them to them to say it is done, and ask for a reimbursement, since HR policy doesn’t state that I cannot have invisable body modifications.

If I were in your shoes, I would reach out to the satanic temple, and to the ACLU.

Really just comes back to the one question… How bad do you need this job?

Yes, sadly it comes down to that: do you need a job badly enough as to compromise your bodily integrity for it, on spurious unfounded reasons given by a random dude in a position of power in that company.

Really, really sad.

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So it’s really as simple as I thought? I was afraid that I was missing some important bit… because this is so anti-social it’s hardly believable…

This is kinda true, I see it where I work - we sometimes have really bad employees, and it’s hard to get rid of them… but there is always a way to do, and I happily accept this drawback if it leads to a generally more fair working environment.

John Perry Barlow wrote a nice little text about this…
I’m always a bit surprised by that attitude - especially since the chance to ā€œstrike richā€ is even lower because of the anti-social laws in the US…

Same here - I just had some conversation here that I’m actually totally okay to pay taxes (it’s some kind of sports here to avoid that as much as possible…^^), simply because they are, among other things, used to provide the safe and mostly-calm environment I can live in. That’s nice, I think :wink:

Boils down to that, yep… stupid world.

Yes, that’s another gift of the nanny state: when you have nothing to fear, you have less stress in life, which yields a longer life and a better quality of life.

I don’t know if you’ve ever set foot in the US for any length of time, but the one thing I remember of it is this: you can’t live there without experiencing a constant background level of stress and paranoia. I noticed that when I moved to Canada: it was like some pressure suddenly let off inside of me.

You don’t know what it is it until you experience it - something most Americans don’t get to do unfortunately.

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Yup and there is the problem I need this job or I won’t be able to pay my mortgage and I sure as hell don’t have the money to pay for a lawyer let alone pay for a lawyer and be out of work. The people I work with are great the rest of the work environment is great. I sent them more info and she said she would look over it with the security guy. So if they stay this line after telling me they will look at the info I feel like I have a place to go. I’m also wondering if I can reverse the discrimination, something tells me the security guy is a mark of the beast kind of guy and if that is the case I’m being discriminated against because of someone elses religion.

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This isn’t advice.

Personally I would just nick my skin to make it look like they were removed. I would bring a few in a baggie to physically show them. Hell, I would even rub my blood on them to make them look removed and gross them out.

After that, just not bring it up until I want to ruffle feathers.

If you want to PM me your state info, I can try to look into the law further

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At this point you’ve really only got 4 options.

Submit.
Take them out, and try to deal with the unhappiness.

Dodge.
Try to fake your way out. I don’t recommend this as it makes you the asshole.

Quit.
Take the high road and find more accepting employment.

Advocate.
This would be a second full time job. Work with/through organizations like the ACLU, and try to create a protected classification / precedent.

Were it me, I think a new job is in order. Especially as this is probably the worst thing you can do to them. That said, I’d find a job before quitting. And… If push comes to shove and you get fired, at least you’ll have access to unemployment.

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Point blank ask HR if this is where he’s coming fom. They WILL deny it, but it may get them to examining security guy’s motives on their own.

Can you quietly look this guy’s facebook page up? If youre lucky he’ll have posted conspiracy theories or religous b.s. about implants. Screen shot it and take that to HR.

Nice piece.

I have a similar approach to happiness - albeit slightly different. I stick to two principles:

1/ Always behave honestly and decently. Don’t be a dick (all the time). And as sone fictional character once said, do unto others as you would have others do unto you. I’m old enough to know that good behavior is always rewarded, whether it’s the next minute or the next decade.

2/ Don’t ever expect anything good to happen in life. If it doesn’t, well, no surprise. When it does - and it always does by virtue of rule #1, you’re amazed and you feel like the luckiest guy in the world.

With those two rules, I managed to pepper the world with very good friends, and I feel like my life is an unending lucky streak.

Aaaand… that was a derail :slight_smile:

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:smile:

I love that you gave yourself a ā€œbe a dickā€ (some of the time) clause

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Totally agree on that - it just makes no sense to behave unfriendly. I try to stay true to myself, and I can take quite a (verbal) fight if neccessary, but I am usually a nice person. I think. Mostly.

Ah, that one I can’t agree to. It works for many people, so it’s great if it works for you, but I am massively optimistic usually. Not naive and enough of a realist not to expect much from mankind in general, of course, but I just love to think positive. I am already happy when I imagine wonderful things, and double happy if they actually happen. If not, I was at least happy once :smile:

Is important as well :smile:

Okay, this doesn’t sound that bad… so there is a chance that they’ll not force you to take the implant out? I keep my fingers crossed for that, especially if the people you work with are generally nice guys and it’s just one of them overreacting massively…

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WOW, it’s like you are in my head

Some people are Eyorres some are Tiggers

We can only try and convert them… But most are ā€œhappyā€ being sad :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Says the guy with the depressive robot as a profile picture :stuck_out_tongue:
But like I said, some people are very happy being pessimistic, and it actually works for them - I can hardly relate to that, but same goes the other way round. So I guess I’m okay with that :wink:

Damn, okay, I have to derail a little further - this here (yes, I’m in Barlow-mode^^) is one of the most positive (albeit admittedly naive) texts about the possibilities of the internet. I just love to read it from time to time, just to be remembered of the incredible optimism of those beginning years…

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The problem is the people I actually work with don’t have a say. Its the vp of hr and head of security that have a problem.

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doesn’t know anything about rfid security

sounds like this guy being chief cybersecurity advisor…

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Yea, let’s just hope he’s not the kind of guy to double down when he does realize he’s wrong…

vp of security can’t be wrong… therefore he won’t be wrong. you will be gone before that happens.

ā€œThere are no poor people in America, only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.ā€

Yup. I had a job once very briefly where it was very straight forward. It was a warehouse and you had to unload two trucks a day. If you missed the quota, you didn’t have a job the next day. There are always folks desperate enough to take the job while looking somewhere else.

Hmm well, it was more a matter of avoiding the inevitable ā€œexplain this post thenā€ if I hadn’t added the clause :slight_smile:

Thing is, people can be dicks every once in a while without it being a permanent personality feature. We’re only humans after all.

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Luckily I’m only a dick 80% of the time…