Do I finally was able to reach the seller and they are giving me a full refund which is nice, just super disappointed as this device works wonderful for cards( their cards only) but it’s mind boggling that they chose to make it work with their cards only, 90% of consumers don’t want to deal with proprietary nonsense, I updated the device and the new firmware does nothing to mitigate the need for their cards so unless they make a future update allowing the copying and cloning of any and all supported cards and chips then it’s going to see very little sales. Hopfully everyone considering using this device sees this. Maybe someone could crack the device and bypass it but I am not savy enough my self. The device does allow you to run PC mode similar to a proxsmark but they have messed with code somehow so it had a diffrent look and feel, still not allowing you to use what ever card you want
That is good news, and disappointing at the same time, it had such good potential.
They are yet to reply to my email…
It truly is disappointing as this device is at its core a fantastic rfid multi tool device, but they killed it by making it require proprietary cards, I know they want to make money but this is not the way, if the device cost maybe $150-200 then sure it seems reasonable but at ~$500 it’s insane to not have the option to clone, write, or copy on any card/fob/chip you want, you can buy a $20 Amazon cloner to do that!!! It does have a super easy and simple to use interface, great battery life, and tons of features, but what good are those features when you can fucking use them. It’s such a waste of a fantastic device, I even tried using the PC mode which basically opens up a Proxsmark(ish) program but they have messed with the code enough for it to continue to require their cards only! At this point even it they offered me a way to update the firmware to unlock it for use on all platforms I’d be hesitant after this massive ordeal I’ve had to go through. I can’t be the only consumer that has been pissed off to find this out after dropping a stupid amount of money, the website makes it seem like the holy grail of RFID technology, which it really would be if they allowed it. Ahhh rant over sorry hahaha
It is quite a phenomenally stupid move for a niche product with very limited added value, with a customer base knowledgeable enough to know they want to fork that much dough on a high-end cloner and to realize they’re being taken for fools. If it was an irresistible mass-market product, they could get away with this possibly, but not here. No way.
I would get one…
In my mind, the use would suit 95% of their customer base (I just pulled that figure out of my arse), plus their cards are reasonably priced and you can get custom cards…so imagine a small/medium business, get staff cards printed and branded and an iCopy to manage access…
Pentester could use it with ease, pre-print facility card copy then write.
pretty cheap and easy for something that woukd pay for itself with time saving.
It is just unfortunate for our circumstances.
Don’t get me wrong I am hugely disappointed, I want nothing more than to be rid of my Proxmarks, I spent a bit of time yesterday adding them to a new computer and updating on another…not my idea of fun.
And all fore something I don’t want to carry around with me, unless it was self supporting (standalone) small and portable…like the damn iCopy.
I’m still looking forward to my FlipperZero but realistically for our use case I think the iCopy
is was a better more suitable option.
Do one thing and do it well rather than a multi-colour that will do in a pinch.
Anyway, that’s my view on it…
As I eagerly await a reply email…
Just a reminder to fill out the Poll if you haven’t already and are interested
@Urminme before you send it back for your refund, could you do that test with your phone please
You do know the PM3 has a standalone mode, right?
Yeah but not read, analyse, write ie. functional
The built in screen of the iCopy is what truly separates it from the Proxmark in my eyes…
although the blueshark and RFID tools app is a good combo for the RDV4
So I tried writing record to the one of the I-copy cards and it ended up saying error. Not sure if the cards them selves are proprietary or the I-copy XS hardware/software. I sent them an email and said “why would you make such an amazing device then basically brick it by requiring proprietary cards? If you guys sold this at less then half the price, it would be a good deal, but $500 for a device that can’t be used with any other chips, implants, fobs or cards other then the cards the make is just insane and if I knew this prior to purchasing it I would have never wasted my time and money”
Thanks for testing…
Disappointed and still no reply to my email…
I assume you don’t, but do you have a proxmark that you can use to do more digging on these cards?
So I didn’t before I sent it back but, I have one on the way, the reason I bought the I-copy is purely for ease of use for someone like me who Is not very good with programming, I know a good bit but all I’ve heard about the proxsmark(even with the iceman firmware) is that it’s got a significant learning curve. I wanted something more streamline and simple to use and the I-copy was so easy my 7 year old could use it. But that stupid fucking proprietary nonsense is just beyond me, if it cost a quarter of the price I would understand the proprietary need for making money and what not but at that price is should do anything and absolutely everything with any card or chip on the planet
So the Icopy-XS has these proprietary restrictions removed for most cases.
Also, there has been analysis done so you can create your own compatible cards. All that is done is a password is set for the T5577 cards. If you follows these steps you can create your own cards which work using the Icopy or Proxmark.
The Icopy does not have the keys/passwords used for Icopys own cards but they are on the link above
Hopefully the above helps. A lot of the main professional card cloning companies follow similar practices or their devices have crazy prices.
Icopy went for a half ass approached but backtracked with the Icopy-xs because of the backlash.
I tried various things including firmware updates and the like with no change, I was also informed by I-copy as a whole that this device is designed to be used with their cards only and if I did happen to find a way to change this, it would void any warranty and/or they would not provide any further assistance helping fix any damage that may be incurred by said change. I am sure with some computer magic and hacking, perse, that it could be done, but I’m not about to risk mssing up a device that cost half a grand. I originally got it strictly for its ease of use, convince, and especially its screen for portable use (I understand the proxsmark can also be used with a battery add on, but it also has a significant learning curve that I was not ready to tackle yet). I really wish It was what it seemed to be but they should really put “for use only with our proprietary cards only” so people know this, I know most of there customers will likely be security firms or company’s looking to make, copy, clone cards easily, but their are also a lot of “hobbyist” that want a easy, fast and strong solution to programing what ever they have
, and this device is sadly not for the latter
Plain and simple I tried everything I could to program my NExT implant, neither of the chips were able to be programmed what so ever (I even downloaded thousands of keys to the device for cracking, but this provided no helped and just made reading any card a significantly long read time ~20-30 minutes, and it would read them most of the time but no matter what I couldn’t write to them, only the cards provided
And just to clarify I purchased the I-copy XS as well as updating to the most current firmware and this still changed nothing
Yeah… That’s what the Belgians call tickling oneself to make oneself laugh.
I say fuck that and fuck this device altogether. Sorry, I realize you’re trying to make a buck out of selling these things, but I reckon you’d been took just as much as the poor sods who’ll buy them.
So changing the firmware won’t make a difference. You’d need to set their password to the NExT then it can be cloned with the Icopy. You could manually add their keys onto the Icopy device as a workaround however (the ones on the GitHub page)
I’ve not tried with a NExT but I have converted standard t5577 cards to Icopy compatible ones which work now with the Icopy. The steps are in the GitHub page.
The Icopy-xs doesn’t require their Mifare cards but it seems it does for T5577 (ID-1). Unlike previous models which were all restricted to their cards.
We’ve had a very pissed customer return a device because of this exact issue. I would have expected for them to remove the requirement for all cards not just Mifare with the xs version.
So we had been told the XS version doesn’t have any propriety locks. Unlike the previous models however it seems some of T5577 ones are still restricted.
Hey Kai, thanks for jumping in on this with some “insider” knowledge.
So the “Most cases”, has the exception of the T5577 only?
Fair enough too… this should be enough to give you clout when talking with them
Are you in conversation with them?
Do you have any pull?
Are you in a position to ask them to " play nicely with others" ?
Backlash is good, so we are not alone…
Their own naming convention I thought was a bad decision, but THAT is not a deal breaker.
Thanks for sharing that
Are you able to test this for us?
I don’t think the iCopy has been tested with an xSeries “Glassie” as far as I have seen.
I think you are currently in the best position to try this for us… I know it would be appreciated by me and I’m sure by other others if you could do this.