Is the T5577 side of NExT VERY weak?

The xACv2 has one of the best readers I’ve used
I can get half inch of air gap easy

The proxmark… Is one of the weakest and most finicky… perhaps look into a flipper zero when they are commonly available… or consider doing a coil mod to the proxmark

I’m thinking about doing the coil mod myself in the next short while

It took me a while to find the sweet spot on work readers… I found it really helpful to sweep across in a slow wipe rather than pin point presentation

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I have about 12 readers at work. 2 don’t work with my next (cloning a HID card). 2 are very difficult to get a read off and require me to put my hand in particular positions (different on each). The other 8 are no problem at all. All readers are the same brand and model.

I popped the cover off the 2 difficult RFID readers to look where the antenna was and then used the glass LF reader to find the best spots.

One of the ones which did not work is outside on an entrance door, so I wonder if weather exposure has limited its performance.

I would suggest to keep trying and see if you can get the LF glass detector tonight up.

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Thanks for that reply! I think I’ll order one :slight_smile:

Thanks for the info on the xACv2!

I bought the Proxmark as a bundle with my chip thinking it was the best option, guess I should have done some more research :slight_smile: Is the coil mod you mentioned the ProxLF addon? If I’m understanding things I think that needs the Proxmark RDV4, and I have the Easy version sold here which doesn’t appear to be easily modded.

The Flipper Zero looks very nifty, I’ll keep an eye on that project :smiley:

Thanks for the insight! I wish I had that level of access to the readers, the building installed them behind secured glass panels, I can’t even see what kind of readers they are. I’m hesitant to spend too much time standing in front of them, I don’t need security coming to find out what my problem is LOL But I’ll continue to give it a try when I go in. However I may go ahead and get one of the Flex options just to make it easier when I’m no longer mostly working remote.

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The indala stuff is a indication of a borderline bad read, there’s a video where Amal mentions it’s the first thing to start acting up

I’ll see if I can find it

I made a mistake, so I deleted that post :slight_smile: I thought I was getting a good signal through palm, but I wasn’t, and I found the threads saying Indala is generally a bad signal. I finally got a good read and it is actually the HID stuff I cloned to it, so now I’m back to the original quest to get something that will read it and do something interesting. The Redbee reader I ordered should connect to an RPi, so I’ll start there and if that doesn’t work out, I’ll order the xACv2. Thanks for you help!

The internet remembers lol

Until you need it that is

I didn’t see resolution so I figured I’d toss my 2 cents out

Speaking of,
Have you made sure to keep an eye on the rotation of implant to the reader?

I reread and noticed it’s in position 1, which can be slightly awkward to present to a wall reader

And consider too that the implant won’t be actually parallel with your arm, which I used to use as a reference… but that was faulty because in my arm being perfectly presented, the implant was off by 15 degrees or so

I could easily see that in bending your arm/hand you and rotating the implant enough to push it past the line of not reading

Based on the Implant Sutra I think it’s position 0, but it really is awkward regardless. Knowing what I know now, I’d have gone for a flex

Sorry idk why I said position 1, I meant 0 you had it right

Flex’s are a bit more involved and trickier to install, and they don’t just magically work a million times better

Don’t sell your next short, it took me a couple weeks of playing to get mine to read, and now I can’t mess it up

And some readers are just crap, it might not even read a flex good

I have a payment flex, that won’t work with 95% of terminals in my area because they are crap

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That’s certainly a possibility, I have to take my ring off and hold it flat to the reader before it takes it, but I can’t help but think that a flex would just be easier to present to readers. I will find something interesting to do with my NExT, but might consider a flexEM specifically for office access. I think it would be great in position 8.

:open_mouth:

8 !?!

8 !?!

Wow, how big are your fingers?

I think you may be underestimating the size if the FlexEM

OR

I am underestimating the size of your fingers

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I also think the FlexEM will work really well for what you want to do.
There range is much better than an xSeries due to physics.

But you might be better off looking for another location.

Here is a common option

This thread may be of interest

I could have it wrong, but I thought I read that Amal had one there. I believe that I also read that it will have a bit of a curve when it comes out of the tube and would conform to a finger. By the picture, it’s smaller than a dime, and my finger is wider than a dime, I figure it would work :smiley:

In other news, I got a card read from ebay today. It reads the prox card from 3 inches, it reads the T5577 rings from 2 inches, it will not read my NExT :confused: Hopefully will have better luck with the Redbee when it gets here.

Nope, the flexEM is like a penny in both size and flexibility. (20mm diameter for the flexEM, 19mm diameter for the penny)

Definitely not recommended to install one in the knuckle of your finger.

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I’m was a bit confused, because in the product photo at flexEM T5577 - RFID & NFC Chip Implants and Biohacking products it’s clearly smaller than the dime, and the description calls it “semi-flexible”, but I do see that it also says 20mm. So yeah, not going on a finger :slight_smile:

Kinda; but It is a FlexNT
:flexnt:

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Today I cloned an EM410x card onto the NExT and have no problems reading that, so it seems like my problem is specific to HID. Sad that I won’t be able to use it for work access, but I’m happy that I’ll be able to use it for other things. On the plus side, EM410x usb keyboard wedges are cheap and plentiful.

Have you tried using your work reader some more?

I haven’t been back to the office so haven’t gotten a chance to try that reader again, but I today I got a Wave ID pcProx reader and while it scans the original card and my T5577 rings from inches away, it does not react to the NExT at any distance or angle.

When programmed to EM410x, even a $5 keyboard wedge from Aliexpress picks up my NExT from a 1/2 inch away, so it seems pretty clear to me that something about HID doesn’t work well with my implant. Sure, I may have cloned it wrong somehow, but I did it the same way to rings and they work, so maybe there’s a trick to cloning HID to the NExT I don’t know about. So far the only thing I currently have access to that will read the NExT in HID mode is the Proxmark when the antenna is directly over the end of the chip and touching my skin, and lf search reports the same output as the source card, so it seems like I probably had it cloned successfully.

If I find another HID-capable reader, I’ll try it again, I think it’s just a no-go for what I have available.