My flexClass unfortunately failed a few years ago and I never actually got it removed (damn insurance…) to send back to @amal (sorry for the 3+ year delay!)
I’m having it out March 5, and am looking at what I might be able to put in while I’m having this removed, since the pocket is already there. I’m wondering if the xGlow would be unwise - the flex is currently in my forearm, non-palm side, starting about 2cm from the natural bend in my wrist going up the arm, right about where a watch would sit. Have people installed xSeries in this space? Does it feel weird/interfere with wrist/forearm motion at all? Looking around I don’t see much mention of this space, more in the more fleshy bits of the underside of the forearm. Will the skin thickness there be any different than if put in L0?
Thats a pity, considering you are one of the FlexClass Gurus
You are not replacing it?
Have you also seen / considered
Then, there might even be some wiggle room for some custom designs, but you’ll have to ask and confirm…
If you are after asthetic, those are 2 good options.
I personally have not so take my comments with a pinch of salt
I would suggest you would need to lock it in position to prevent. it from wandering, As I imagine, this is a quite high mobility location.
If you’re wanting to go practical rather than aesthetic personally, I would be considering something like the VivoKey ApexFlex / FlexSecure, which would be a one-for-one swap, out with the old in with the new.
(But I THINK you may have an Apex!?)
Well I can tell you I put an xGlow XL into an old pocket after removing a flex and we’ll the pocket filled with blood and it took months.. MONTHS.. before I saw anything. Even a little glimmer. Basically a year. I think the body has a hard time clearing out blood from a pocket that has had full encapsulation occur versus a new fresh wound.
Bummer. Would I expect any issues if I replaced the flexClass with a UG4 or Apex?
Maybe? I’m sending it back to Amal for inspection - this is one of the ones that was likely impacted by the connection between chip and transponder (If I’m remembering my terms right). Right now my alma mater-turned-employer is still using the same iClass setup, where some doors work and some don’t, and they’re not thrilled about enrolling a flexClass instead of my usual ID. (The entire campus is also on heightened security right now because of ICE issues, which doesn’t help) Right now life circumstances mean we’ll see.
ehh.. not really. it’s mostly just the darkness of dying and dead blood trapped in the pocket blocking light and the body’s inability to get in there and clear it very fast.. no blood vessels inside the fibrous pocket so no real way to get that shit outta there in a hurry. it’s not all that deep though.. readability should recover in days or weeks.
Ah no, I mean that it’s a campus with various generation readers, and some will let me use the downgraded legacy blocks, but some readers really want to see the SE blocks which are non-transferable. In other news I’m trying to find a new job, so
I have this vague feeling that asking about an office’s security card technology is not a great way to be invited back for a second interview.
flexUG4 ordered. Thanks for the suggestion @Pilgrimsmaster. Now I gotta decide if I want the xSLX in my un-chipped R0 or wait a bit to see if I can convert someone with the lure of a free chip…
My further opinion, unless you have a specific and daily need for an xSLX that would be a waste of prime location.
I would save that for something more frequently useful.
Or a 2in1 like xMagic / NEXT2
my Spark (“similar” to xSLX) is somewhere very usable, but I wouldn’t put it in P0, which, it actually used to be, before I got more implants and didn’t know much, so I moved it.
I wish I had asked for guidance at the time, and would have hoped to get the same advice O am giving you.
Fair. Right now I’m not sure I have much use for the xSLX, looking at the compatibility matrix. My understanding is that phones can read it much like the xNT, yes? I’m also a little hesitant to go anywhere other than P0 - I have pretty dense hands that I’m not thrilled with the risks of nicking a tendon or tendon sheath during install (and neither is my MD installer), and as stated earlier, migration is more of a thing outside of the hands…
Whatever the case, if it is going in, it’s not going in at the same time as the flexUG4. That’s a little too much.
Palpate the area Pinch and tent Roll skin between fingers (you can feel if there are any veins, and they drop out) Keep it tented Insert bevel down
rotate 180⁰ if needed for more control
eject implant
remove needle
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With proper technique .. tenting alone won’t save you from an incompetent installer. I once saw a “professional” stab a needle straight through the tent and right out the back.. two holes.. like wtf. To be fair though it was an early apprentice that wasn’t being mentored very well by the “mentor”.
UG4 was installed yesterday. I’m lucky to have a professional surgeon as a friend who’s willing to help me out. Lidocaine injections make it a lot more pleasant, though I had a vasovagal reaction about halfway through that was resolved with some graham crackers (Really, in hindsight, I shoulda been lying down rather than sitting on a rolly stool/seat. Oh well.) Getting the old one out was a lot harder than getting the new one in - I have a tendency to get keloid scars (I have a few on my hands that are elevated years after a minor injury like catching skin when closing a car door), which I believe can make encapsulation a lot thicker and harder to get dissect open cleanly? The doc was having issues getting it open without cutting into the chip, and we were going in through the same site where the original install happened (so going basically in through the keloid)
I can get a read with my flipper and an RSP, though my pm3 is having some issues with coupling. I’m assuming it’s normal post-install swelling, the blood trapped in the pocket, and the bandage I have on the site right now.
If you just have the regular proxmark3 then be sure to hold the BOTTOM pcb where HF antenna is actually embedded over your UG4.. don’t flip your proxmark3 over.
