The anti🚫-derailment🚃 & thread🧵 hijacking🔫 thread🧵 ⁉

It’s the one of us gifs. Everyone wants one, and once you have one you want to send some to others.


You might live near an implantee. The field creates quite a wide bubble around the implant wearer. That’s how DT assimilates new recruits in fact.


So the bioconservatives around me might start to change their minds? What!? This is awesome!

Joking aside, I think that changing their minds will take a lot more than that…

I have a suite of them to choose from.

I hope the install goes well.

xDF2 = NDEF or Something better?

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NDEF at first, I’ll get something better on it once I manage to get everything set up the way I want. And I’ll probably end up getting another one for NDEF after that.

I also hope not to freak out my local distributors of access control stuff as I want to check if the range of the readers on their door intercom systems is good enough for glassies before buying.

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Something else for you to consider, is Applets on your current xDF2 and NDEF on the future planned 16kb FlexClass

And of course the Apex…

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i don’t think the flexClass storage space can be used for NDEF tho

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Ah, good to know, Thanks Amal and sorry @enginerd

Me just spouting off shit without researching…

Hey @enginerd, here’s another completely original idea for you, You should use your current xDF2 for NDEF now, and get another one later for some applets and stuff…
No need to thank me for that great idea


I’ll just shut up and sit in the corner :laughing:

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I’m ok with having more chips than average under my skin, but I doubt that I’ll end up having a need for an iClass implant. And I’m pretty sure that Amal is right on the capabilities of those chips.

I have room for both another xDF2 and an Apex Mega so at the end of the day, it will depend on my schedule and the meaning of Soon™.

That was my original plan, NDEF in L0 and applets in R0…

Sounds like BUMP time to me


Geez, I reallly do need to sit in the corner, That was supposed to be my joke ( I was stealing your idea to give back to you )


While you guys are taking about xdf2

Can you school me and potentially @likilike ( Thinking about getting one - #33 by likilike)
About the encryption ability of the xdf2

He wants to store crypto keys, I was suggesting that ndef plain text was probably not wise, and that desfire might be a more secure way to contain plain text

@Zwack and @Pilgrimsmaster
Previously we were talking about using a kvm with rfid reader…

I found an even easier and free solution

“Mouse without borders” via windows garage
Let’s you share keyboard and mouse and copy paste between networked computers

I can sit down at primary laptop, scan (either kbr or wave nano), mouse to other screen just like a dual monitor, scan again on same reader and done

Very fast and easy,

Only weird issue I’ve seen is my “nice” mouse on my primary laptop, is set to a fairly high polling rate, and secondary laptop doesn’t seem to like it

At first I thought it was just network lag; but my touchpad is super crisp across machines

Weird and begs more digging but so far it’s a solution

Now I have a different issue, the KBR1 and my wave nano spit out the same uid in vastly different configurations… I can edit the output format on the wave nano, but there are like a dozen different options and I can’t find the right combination to make outputs match

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I am currently trying to, although, not particularly actively, trying to find a good repository for DESFire applets, that I can link to in the Handy Dandy thread.
so if anybody knows of one or if you have built some of your own you are willing to share, please let me know.

I am not sure if some of the Apex Applets can be sideloaded onto Desfire chips, :speaking_head: AMAL!?
I actually hope that there will one day be a library / applet store hosted on Amals Server that we access for our DESFire implants

Stupid question,

Do you even need to run an applet to use the “mutual authorization” capability?

I thought this meant that if the reader didn’t request a certain sector nothing the chip wouldn’t answer

Not keys, but there are some cold storage ideas if you are interested in @likilike

And watch this space for Apex options…:eyes:


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I’m pretty sure yes. You have to setup the keys n stuff, that doesn’t work if you use all space for NDEF.

It’s more like a password check I guess.

Read the datasheet guys :slight_smile:

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Meh, that happens after I actually order a DF2