The anti🚫-derailment🚃 & thread🧵 hijacking🔫 thread🧵 ⁉

[Eriequiet]

don’t you hate it when you have a BRILLIANT idea…

only to discover, someone else had the idea… like a hundred years ago… and its been common place for years… you just never realized it

boo

I was brain storming with my safe project, and I came up with the idea of a free spinning piece of metal, so that if you tried to drill the core out, the drill bit would grab the free spinning metal, and spin it rather than cut through it…

I’ve literally stared at the stupid little spinning disks on a lot of shit locks… but never cared enough to look into it, I was all excited I came up with something new and creative…

only a hundred years late,

I might be a derp… but at least I’m honest and funny

[Eriequiet]

@amal

Have you considered making some smaller 1” or so sized stickers?

[SnarkBe]

It’s all in … and I added a tattoo for good measures!

I have all the pics from the Walletmor implantation with the gory details (NSFW, blood) if someone wants to see them.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@SnarkBe

It’s all in

@SnarkBe

I added a tattoo for good measures!

Very clean

@SnarkBe

if someone wants to see them

@SnarkBe

(NSFW, blood)

My opinion,
anybody visiting this forum should not be surprised by post with blood, needles, stitches etc.

[grongor]

@SnarkBe

(NSFW, blood)

Yeah, agreed. But there is I think a middle-ground, using this:

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I’m sure you know it but I think it’s worth mentioning

[SnarkBe]

Pics posted here !

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@grongor

middle-ground, using this:

Meh…but here it is if anybody wants to use it

[anon3825968]

Big Clive posted a video where he reverse engineers NFC nails:

NFC powered flashing fingernail sticker (with schematic)

I wore 3 of those under my skin for 15 months. Fond memories It’s interesting to see what they’re actually made of.

Big Clive has this Youtube channel where he takes electronic stuff apart and criticizes the design. If you’re into electronics, you’ll enjoy his videos.

[Eriequiet]

Hey Rosco, you’re my goto for long range reader shenanigans

I’m thinking of running a contest at CircleCityCon, an open challenge to steal the uid I’m going to use to open the pistol safe I just built as a example

What’s the range actually like with the long range reader and a x series? I know the ISO cards can get like 2-3 feet… but glassies tend to be picky and petulant

Good idea? Bad idea? Terrible but failure is fun?

I figure best case, it’s incredibly hard to sniff the uid, which can be seen as a benefit

Worst case it’s not hard, and then there’s clarity about realistic vulnerability

[anon3825968]

My most powerful HF readers are the DL533-XL (ISO14443 - about 1W) and the FEIG MR102 with the 240mm x 340mm pad antenna (ISO15693 - about 1.2W). Both have a range of about 4 cm with glassies.

But most importantly, you only get that range when the glassie is orthogonal to the antenna’s coil wire. It won’t work if the glassie is positioned alongside the wire, it won’t work if it’s in the middle of the antenna… It’s quite specific, and much MUCH less forgiving than LF.

The FEIG reader for instance is something I got to make a quality control machine for production: the glassies to test actually come in a chute and stop at precise locations along the perimeter of the pad antenna. You can’t just throw a bucket of them on the antenna any which way and hope to get good reads, despite its power. It’s that finicky.

I’m not sure how you intend to run your contest thing, but bear that in mind because it might end up not being a terribly practical thing to use in the field.

[Eriequiet]

@anon3825968

I’m not sure how you intend to run your contest thing, but bear that in mind because it might end up not being a terribly practical thing to use in the field.

Mostly Im sick of hearing people go on about how easy it would be to steal a uid from an implant
Because they can do so easily ish with an iso card and think they would get the same range

So this is a… “well let’s see you do it then”

I think the rough idea is… you have 3 days at the conference to get it from me… without being super obvious

@anon3825968

much MUCH less forgiving than LF.

I am looking to use LF ( system uses that, and I can rewrite it if I loose the challenge)

Specifically em mode on either a next or xem

[anon3825968]

It is easy with LF: typical parking garage readers have ridiculous power and range, and most importantly, the LF tags offer exactly zero protection and are completely trivial to clone to a T55xx. My LF readers get a clear foot of range with the flexEM, and a good few inches with the xEM:

But that’s LF. HF is much more bitchy to use. Even flex HF implants are completely impractlcal to read and clone for nefarious purposes. They only pose a risk if you’re passed out or asleep and your attacker is reasonably technically savvy, which isn’t terribly likely since you’re most likely to be passed out in a bar and asleep at home.

@Eriequiet

I am looking to use LF

Ah sorry I was under the impression your system used HF.

Then yes, LF is a very real sniffing risk. Someone with the know-how will defeat your system in no time at all.

[Eriequiet]

@anon3825968

the LF tags offer exactly zero protection and are completely trivial to clone to a T55xx

@anon3825968

a good few inches with the xEM:

I think that’s the thing…

I feel like only a couple inches and the orientation is going to be inconsistent and erratic… is the actual challenge

That’s part of why I think I wanna do LF, its only about wether the coupling range makes it difficult enough to sniff or not

Also, for what it’s worth… there would also be 4 other lf tags in the same region… not sure if that reader has any kind of anti collision?

[anon3825968]

Coupling is NOT difficult with LF: it’s very forgiving and very consistent.

Your chances at not getting your implant cloned (assuming someone with a portable parking garage reader is trying to do that to open your safe) are:

• Watch out for weird people following you around wearing a satchel and invading your personal space all the time
• Use a less common LF protocol, like Indala, that high-power Chinese readers can’t read
• And yes, tape LF tags around your hand to create collisions

[Eriequiet]

@anon3825968

And yes, tape LF tags around your hand to create collisions

I have 4 lf tags in the same hand lol surely that’s something

[anon3825968]

@Eriequiet

I have 4 lf tags in the same hand lol surely that’s something

That would foil a high-power reader for sure.

Hell, the high-power reader in my office chair that reads the flexEM in my back even prevents a Halo reader from reading the xBT in my chest.

But I should say this: if all your LF tags are EM, there’s a chance a high-power reader will get the ID of one of them. Which one is a toss-up, but collisions aren’t always a guarantee that stuff is totally unreadable.

[Eriequiet]

@anon3825968

but collisions aren’t always a guarantee that stuff is totally unreadable.

Oh I’m not trusting that range and collisions make it unreadable… I just think it’s significantly harder than non DT people make it out to be

So I want to see them try

[anon3825968]

Alternatively, you could get yourself one of them Chinese parking garage readers to try it yourself. They’re dirt cheap, and when you’re done testing, you can use it for another fun project. I’ve had tons of fun putting together implant-related projects with those things. You would too.

[TheCyborgFirefighter]

@anon3825968

the high-power reader in my office chair

What does the reader do, if I may ask? Seems pretty cool.

Plus a reader under a floor mat . That’s smart

[Pilgrimsmaster]

The amazing RFID office chair

A year and and half ago, I set out to create an RFID office chair that logs me in and out of my computer automatically when I sit down or get up, using a strategically placed implant in my backside. Well, at long last, here it is: What you need to create this: A flexEM implant in your back, configured as a dual-EM4100: An office chair with a RS232 ACM08Y long range reader bolted to the back: [image] A Linux computer running SiRFIDaL: The flexEM has roughly a f…

Do yourself a favour. check out Roscos threads, he has made some cool shit