Seeing as how a lot of things on that list are important for any country. I donāt think it would be fair for me to just number my opinion on the importance of the second amendment without including some of the other options. And I feel a lot of these are worthy of equal importance which I paired together.
Health
Education
Environment
Infrastructure / Transportation
Culture / Parks / Recreation
Housing
Immigration
Law / Justice
Economy
Media
Guns / 2nd Amendment
Employment / Income
Government
Foreign Affairs
Community
Defence
Just for reference I love to go shooting. I find clays and target shooting to be very enjoyable as a sport. However, there are a lot of things I feel are way more important like good infrastructure and education.
This feels odd - as a non-American, I voted for āleast importantā, but Iād rather say itās important for me that we donāt have āfreeā guns here. So, itās not unimportant, Iām just against it
Not accusing you of having a go, weāve had polite conversations in the past and expect to continue
That being said, choosing where I rank it, is kind of a bullshit, because wether itās your intention or not it can/will be turned into a āoh so youāre just selfish because you care more about ____ than ____ā
Iām pretty tired of the implication that if I am not ok with the government forcibly taking property from me under threat of incarceration, and likely not being compensated in even a remotely fair level
That is exactly why I made the voting anonymous, You can have it as number one on your list and nobody but yourself would know.
Feel free to not answer either, I really donāt care.
I am just trying to get an understanding of what and where the 2nd amendment sits in voting decision making
Didnāt consider it as Recreation although you are totally right. Mostly when I think of Parks/Recreation as our State and National parks. My grandparents took us to a lot of parks growing up so I have a lot of appreciation for their existence and hopefully long term protection.
once more, out of curiosity, and not wanting to get you riled up again
IF
your government offered a buyback of all of your firearms ( Except you could still keep āsportingā / hunting ) at a fair and reasonable deal, would you take it?
OR
offered a buyback at a fair and reasonable deal AND you got to keep X number of firearms, would you take it?
I believe that gun control is a loaded issue. There are hundreds of thousands of us that would never use it maliciously or for anything other than home defense/fun. But on the other hand there are loads of people that currently have weapons that definitely shouldnāt.
It becomes a situation where no matter what the bad people will get them if they want to. But if you totally repeal it and just donāt allow citizens to own firearms then weāre unarmed and the bad people still have them. The gun violence here is absolutely insane. Just a week ago a 17 year old shot and killed another 17 year old not 15 minutes from my house. There are so many shootings in Memphis, TN every week that I tend to not even notice when itās mentioned on the news now.
So while I do believe making it harder to buy them (more in depth background checks, wellness checks, etc.) would be helpful, abolishing the 2nd Amendment just wouldnāt end well (Also in the sense that the south exist and some of these people are willing to die for their guns). It is simply too easy to get them here. Iām 18 and can walk into any Walmart and buy a rifle. I can buy handguns from any non-dealership. I think it proves my point that my first firearm I bought (1911 chambered in .45 acp) I walked into a gun dealership with my father, picked out a gun and handed him the cash to buy it, he filled the paperwork and then when we got home he sold it to me for $1. So legally I purchased it from a private seller. (Have to be 21 normally to buy handguns in the U.S.)
That said, once Iāve immigrated to Canada I canāt say that Iāll miss it too much. I mean yeah Iāll have to go to a range to fire it and get certified to even own it. But oh well, I donāt mind making those sacrifices if it means less gun violence.
Sorry I know that was a whole lot.
Thereās this thing that I know explicity, but can barely express. Bear with me while I give it a go.
In american culture, there are concepts of personal freedom / liberty / indepence that are woven into the basic structure of our culture. Itās a big big big deal to us. This is represented by many things, property rights, freedom of speech, and yes guns. As such it is not a separate thing on the list that Pilgrimaster provided. Removing or attacking gun ownership is ALSO attacking everything else on that list. Itās woven in laterally if you will, and while not every american is a gun nut, we all have (multiple) issues that touch on those same themes. This is why you get such extremely entrenched positions on some issues.
IE, if you try to take my guns, you are trying to also take or at least marginalize every thing on that list in some way, shape or form.
You can see the same concept in play with the anti-mask crowd. Theyāre not upset about masks. Theyāre upset at losing the choice to wear a mask. Itās such a charged issue because it conflates with every other personal freedom, which crosses SO many other issues of personal importance.
Losing or even restricting any of these is intolerable because of the way it all intersects culturally. Itās just really weird to explain, because if youāre in the culture it doesnāt need to be said. If youāre not, then you donāt have a good grip on the subject to explain it.
I can add a little to that based on something I noticed doing biohacking and starting dangerous things.
American law tends to focus on behavior being illegal or forbidden, while many EU states focus on objects and things being illegal. Take, for example, lidocaine. In the USA it is perfectly legal to have, sell, and use personallyā¦ but it is not legal to inject it into someone else (without proper training and certification / licensing). Meanwhile itās just flat out illegal in most of the EU to even have of youāre not a certified medical doctor. The same approach is used for many things, including guns. Guns legal to own, illegal to shoot peopleā¦ in most cases anyway.
Personally I feel this is a pretty good example of the āspiritā of American freedomā¦ for better or worse.
It does, It reinforces what I already believe.
Before I made the Poll, I knew that 2nd Amendment is more cultural than practical and represents more than just firearm ownership.
Even outside it is clear to see it is a cultural thing.
I really do understand your gun argument, But Anti-masks can get fucked. and the Pro-gun rights, should far remove themselves from those idiots.
If you are told to wear a mask, you wear a mask or you simply just donāt go out in public.
Anti-maskers should be dealt with the same as somebody driving without a licence, or Driving under the influence, you are putting others at risk through your actions.
If you refuse to wear a mask YOU ARE A SELFISH CUNT!
(I know I donāt need to explain how having to wear a Mask is different from the right to owning Firearms)
I know it is not simply Black and White especially when you include culture and other things it represents.
Thatās why in my Poll, I just wanted an idea of the weighting the 2nd Amendment is given when deciding on voting policies.
There are only 4 votes currently so the data is meaningless, but the average is 10.25 which is still interesting
Now Iām curious about anti-maskers. Are they mostly an American thing? Iām thinking Europe has itās fair share of ultra-conservatives, does it correlate to anti-masking? What about someplace like New Zealand with itās impeccable Covid record. Are there anti-maskers there too?
Can confirm that in australia we have had a few biggish groups of anti-mask goblins. Nowhere near usaās though (even when accounting for population size)
I have only even seen four in the wild (in one instance) i was in a crystal shop (I like geodes) and the owner and her 19 year old daughter where behind the counter without masks, talking to a man and his 9 year old son, about the conspiracy of wanting to grab our dna, and destroying small business via the lockdown. Mind you our state has mandated face masks at all times outside the house.
My friend and i slowly backed away and can say we will never be back to that shop XD
A leader of one of the minor political parties, posted this photo on The NarcissistBook
He claimed that covering the nose āfeels wrongā.
The stewardess asked him three times to wear the mask properly and he refused.
He tried to argue that
saying it was not in Covid-19 legislation.
The Covid-19 legislation does not refer to masks, but the Civil Aviation Act requires passengers comply with orders from the pilot-in-command.
When the flight landed in Dunedin a policeman and an Air NZ manager were there to meet him.
We had another anti-mask rally here in Ontario last month, the next day we broke a record of daily new cases A few months ago there were anti-masker rallies at Queens Park where people were licking poles and statues, like regular people doā¦ Montreal even had anti-masker rallies where people were brandishing Trump 2020 and QAnon flagsā¦ not sure if they realize theyāre in Canada?
We were doing really well here in BC then people got stupid on Thanksgiving and Halloween so weāre back to āstay in your homes, donāt go visiting or travellingā again for two weeksā¦ Itās like being grounded because your sibling did something stupidā¦ LOL
Youāre Punny
A few months ago there were anti-masker rallies at Queens Park where people were licking poles and statues, like regular people doā¦ Montreal even had anti-masker rallies where people were brandishing Trump 2020 and QAnon flagsā¦ not sure if they realize theyāre in Canada?