Work the easy angle for you. Insert it from where you can see, maybe even double glove.
Insert it shoulder side and go toward your elbow.
If you double glove, you can insert to the pop, and take the clamp off if you want, and take that glove off carefully. I mean. You donāt want the insertion device to fall out. It just depends on what you are comfy with.
There are a ton of ways you can do it.
Or wait till insertion is done to take it off and bandage to site. Just keep it clean damnit
I have some Elma patches around. Although my pain tolerance is rather high as is my comfort with large needles. But I will use it anyway just so there is not too much tensing up etc.
Ohh you have me excited now 
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Depending on the length of the applicator that seems sensible.
I am no pro but I have quite a bit of medical training as a lifeguard first aid officer so I have some understanding of not cross contaminating things, hopefully that will help. 
I got dis. Lol it just arrived, will have to do it tonight.
Mine is too. I am no stranger to pain. I would only suggest it because what if? What if you start, and you realize it sucks majorly? You have a now unclean needle, and you either need to finish, or clean it all somehow.
It is more so you can make sure you finish? If it was L0 I would not suggest it really.
I may have 1 issue, not sure I have any clips of any sortā¦ Will have to do it tomorrow
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I have a tattoo there as well. I thought the tattoo artist pulling my skin hurt more than the needle. lol.
I have to say, you are going though a lot of trouble to put this in in an awkward spot. Remember youāll have to use your phone on it so thatās an odd place. It also all but eliminates any chance of using it on a reader that isnāt your phone (door lock, lock box, etc).
I self installed my spark about 3.5" above my wrist in between the ulna and radius. Never moved, and its in an ideal spot to hit it with your phoneā¦ and still can be used on at least some mounted readers without too much contortion.
Great advice, but Iām pretty sure @NiamhAstra is aware, he is getting it because of FOMO of the Vivokey Forum 
, and I think the intention is to have it as a backup for his Apexā¦
Thing is I have plans for those spots.
I could put it in R/L1 but I want an SIID in R/L3 and a NEXT in R/L0 and I do not want to mess with clashes. Knife edges I want for apex.
Right forearm has other plans involving flexes and right forearm I am keeping clear for a full sleeve tattoo.
I exclusively wear t-shirts so I can 100% hit it with my phone. And even a reader if itās not in a tight corner, although it would be hard to manipulate it to the right angle if its a tricky.
But basically I almost did not get one, as the forum ATM and I wanted to see what the app is like/maybe add the oauth to my servers. But I doubt I will enroll it in any locks given all the other options I have for that.
Okay, since nobodyās asking, someoneās gotta do it: why the upper arm? It seems mighty inconvenient to scan something there. Maybe a tad less with a cellphone, but definitely a PITA with a desktop reader. Are you running out of space elsewhere?
Uncoated chips can travel surprisingly far from the original implant site. Even the (coated) xBT I implanted in my torso managed to hike down half an inch before finally anchoring itself where itās at now.
I would not implant anything uncoated without something to bony or muscular to coax it into a specific location. Too much chance to have a floaterā¦
turbo2ltr kinda did ask this.
And essentially yeah space. Although there not installed yet I have plans for both hands with the chips on my desk already and the forearms have plans for tattoos or flexes.
Also why would a desktop reader be a pain? I can just pick it up and scan my arm right?
Assuming you know how toā¦ then yes.
Yeah, but if it is gonna end up a foot down his arm, it was going to anyways. Half inch isnāt bad in my book.
Have you actually had that experience?
After the first month, without some blunt force trauma even uncoated implants should not move. The collagen network that binds your flesh together creates a matrix around the implant, stabilizing it in all directions. Itās more stable on the arms and legs, slightly less so on the torso.
I wasnāt able to find much reputable information about the subject, but the existence of this site delights and confounds me
https://functionalfascia.com/whats-it-all-about/fascia-facts/
Yep: the xEM in my right hand started out almost at the front of the index metacarpal, and burrowed its way to the very back, only stopping there because the carpals were in the way. It literally created a little tunnel along the bone, along which is can slide freely. I donāt normally force it out of its usual spot at the base of the metacarpal because itās not a very nice feeling, but I just tried and it still slides just fine all the way to the front of the bone.
The non-DT EM4305 in my left hand is coated. It barely moved after I installed it (I did pay attention not to knock it out of position for a week or two), and now itās firmly anchored there, no matter what I do to it. Same thing with the xBT in my torso - although it did move a lot more: now itās completely impossible to displace.
I donāt like uncoated chips. Coated ones behave much better. They may be harder to remove, but I donāt routinely remove my chips. So what do I careā¦
Yeah, I remember your thread about this. It migrated 5 days after implantation. If youāre gentle with your install location for 2-4 weeks after implantation that will not happen. It may migrate a few millimeters over time like mine did after 4 years, but you wonāt experience migration of a few centimeters unless youāre rough with it early on or thereās some later blunt force trauma.
Also, if youāre rough with it immediately after install then youāre less likely to have it settle later, because the initial installation injury is a signal for your immune system to promote collagen growth.
The thing is, mine shifted without any blunt force or trauma: it wanted to move away from the get-go, and just a bit of cycling pushed it out of the way for good. And just to be clear, my bike is a recumbent, so thereās no heavy grabbing of the handlebar or anything: I wrapped my hand gently around it for the time it took me to commute, and that was it.
Also, I think the āyour body will pin it down eventuallyā thing depends on the person: my body doesnāt seem to do anything whatsoever unless the implant is coated and irritates it into growing extra tissue around it.
Iām going to be quite careful not to bump it. Iām kinda curious I have a connective tissue disorder that may effect things, in my case it seems to usually effect my joints more than my skin but my understanding it may be a mutation in the gene that regulates type I collagen fibrillogenesis (itās not particularly well recearced by the medical community or myself) so should be interesting.
Ehlers-Danlos?
Yes. Type 3.
