Walletmor in UK

[Epo]

I’ve had my Walletmor installed for around 3 weeks now, and it’s worked perfectly. During the first two weeks, you can’t get much of a read, but then after it’s been great. A couple of readers are a little more finicky, but I tend to find you can usually read along the top edge of the terminal with the implant pretty consistly.

One thing I’ll say is make sure you make your icard account before receiving it and upgrade it to a standard account, so you can test the implant asap and get it installed sooner.

I got mines installed here with lido using the dermal lifter technique, and it was closed with sutures. My scar is a little larger than normal, as I was replacing an x series, but typically, it’ll leave a small line once healed.

People react pretty positively so far. I may have blew a couple of minds with it. Just for those reactions I’d say it’s worth it. It’s a little easier to test it out in some local non-chain stores since then they’re usually fine with you jiggling it around, and also using the DT card to find the best way to read it.

[Viderus]

@Epo are you in the Uk?

I just found out from google that we can get lido here, i thought it wasnt available.

The idea is growing on me. Still not a massive fan of such an invasive procedure but pain is temporary, the pride of walletmor is for up to 8 years.

[Epo]

I am. You’d have to get an appointment with the installers first to ask them about numbing, and the procedure. I highly recommend looking at the KSEC map for that.

[Devilclarke]

I’m at just over a week (10 days) and I’m absolutely loving it. I’m in the uk and did a self install (not recommended). Honestly I really enjoy the ease of use.

[Eyeux]

I was trying to get a proper post together, but decided to accept reality: I won’t have enough time soon, so here it goes:

We got a new generation of readers coming in on many shops here in the Manchester - Leeds - York belt, and those readers are goooood!!

Unfortunatelly for me, way too good.
Even with the walletmor out, I cannot use my right hand to present a contactless card because my DF2 implant gets read together and the machines spur out: “Please present only one card at a time”.

While I had the walletmor placed on top of my finger bone, even presenting the walletmor flat to the reader while the df2 at 90 degrees angle I was still seeing the same issue.

Currently I’m waiting friends to come back into the country to put the walletmor on the other hand and give it a new go…

[MoeJoe]

@Pilgrimsmaster

Also, I believe , but I stand to be corrected by @Satur9 , these antennas are tuned to be beneath the skin rather than in a chlorohex solution in a vial.
I don’t believe there will be much difference, but there will be some.

I also tried the Walletmor in the vial and it was really hard, if not impossible, to read. I tried several payment terminals, the ACR122 and also the Proxmark (from the bottom). I never got it to work at payment terminals and only twice at home. And this was really difficult….
After implantation the range was sooo much higher. It doesnt surprise me that the Walletmor inside the vial didnt work.

[Eyeux]

@MoeJoe

It doesnt surprise me that the Walletmor inside the vial didnt work.

If you’re referring to my initial tests from the first posts, those were only that: initial tests.
I do that with everything just to get a rough notion about what to expect once I stick it under my skin.
You do need to consider the range will improve a lot.
Yet the comparative result between 2 chips in the vials, and the same 2 chips under the skin will tend to remain similar. (save exceptional scenarios)

[anon3825968]

@Eyeux

While I had the walletmor placed on top of my finger bone, even presenting the walletmor flat to the reader while the df2 at 90 degrees angle I was still seeing the same issue.

I’m having trouble picturing where your Walletmor and your flexDF2 are exactly: can you clarify?

It must be a fabulously good reader to pick up an implant that’s orthogonal to the antenna, with another coplanar one in the field!

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@anon3825968

your flexDF2 are exactly: can you clarify?

here’s the FlexDF2 image and link to post

@Eyeux

It’s a Flex, so I decided to place it on top of my right hand fifth metacarpal bone.
It’s a personal use-case choice, but also based on the idea that a Flex chip, despite it’s name, should rest somewhere where it will suffer the least deformation possible.
So resting straight atop a bone sounds like the best option to me.

And NOT the ring finger for the Walletmor

@Eyeux

Got an experiment with that “spot” on the ring-finger for the Walletmor.
But had to back out of it because the conjunction of my overperforming DF2 and the new overperforming card readers in UK made it so the Walletmor wouldn’t work… =/

I’m guessing here, but MAYBE the Middle finger like yourself and Amal with the FlexNT

[anon3825968]

Ooh right ok, you were experimenting placement for the Walletmor and it’s not in yet. Sorry I didn’t understand. Well at least you know before you commit to implanting it somewhere.

[Eyeux]

@Pilgrimsmaster

I’m guessing here

Pilgri’s forum super powers are spot on.

I’m not blaming the walletmor for the failure though. Still quite surprised how I can’t even present a regular card to those readers with my right hand.

So… this was the placement:

Green: Walletmor
Red: DF2

There’s more shit in that hand as well, but LF.

This is a professional render of the 90 degrees angle I mentioned earlier:

Black: reader

And this is another very professional render of a card presenting technique:

This new reader that’s popping around (it’s a very big white plastic handheld thingie) fails to me on both occasions above, even without having the Walletmor in my finger.
Always complaining: “Please present only one card at a time”.

I even tried holding my bank card just by the tiniest edge with the tip of my index and middle fingers… and failure.
I have to present it with my left hand when I go shopping at some places now!

Also, just a footnote: my KBR reads my DF2 when presented sideways as well, but not like in the images above.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Eyeux

This is a professional render of the 90 degrees angle I mentioned earlier:

And yet another pro render ( but less colourful )and approach option

[MoeJoe]

How long did this masterpiece take to draw?

[Eyeux]

@Pilgrimsmaster

And yet another pro render

It took me a few good minutes of laughing before I could muster the strength to type this reply…

[Aphrodite]

Hi there.
I’m planing on buying my walletmor chip as soon as possible.
But when I go to buy it, there doesn’t seem to be an option for delivery to the UK.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Eyeux]

@Aphrodite

there doesn’t seem to be an option for delivery to the UK

AFAIK they don’t work in the UK anymore.

The original walletmor was a converted iCard chip.
after Brexit, iCard withdrew from UK, turning all those walletmor chips into pretty bricks.

then came “version 2”, which was a batch conversion from another provider… but without asking the supplier first.
Obviously they found out and blocked the chips, giving us a second batch of pretty bricks.

The third option was a suggestion of telling us to buy a £46 payment Fob and they would convert it for us.
Don’t think anyone went for that because… well, if you want a payment conversion implant you’ll want to deal directly with Amal instead. much better client rapport, support and… well, everything else!

All that said, if you can prove address somewhere else on Europe you can still get one… as longg as you don’t mind paying international transaction fees. thank you Brexit.

Another option is to get something such as RingPay and either be happy with a ring, or then send it to Amal to check if he can make a conversion implant.

[Aphrodite]

Cool, how much would it cost for Amal to do that?
Is he just a guy on here?

I was thinking about getting someone in the EU to make an icard account for me, so asking them to repost it for me wouldn’t be that much harder I suppose.

[Eyeux]

@Aphrodite

Is he just a guy on here?

@amal is the guy who runs this forum, and also Dangerous Things, the company which we use to buy our implants and etc.

He’s really good with customer care and would be happy to help you out here if you ask (probably in another thread. I feel like this one is kinda tainted at the moment. my bad… )
Since he is not only a businessman, but a full fledged tchie and biohacker, he would be the best person to help you make a decision.

@Aphrodite

how much would it cost for Amal to do that?

This is the payment conversion service (just click on the link).

• It costs 200 USD.

• it is not 100% guaranteed to work, so worth it having a chat with Amal first. (some of the payment methods he would already know if are convertible or not)

• it does have an expiry date. No matter what you use now, within 3 to 5 years you will need to replace it (be it walletmor, a card conversion, etc… this has to do with Visa/Mastercard imposing arbitrary limits)

• In the UK, do NOT convert a bank card. They are required to be inserted with the chip into the terminal every N contactless transactions, so a bank card NFC conversion would only last you a few uses until it becomes a pretty brick.
  Use an “NFC wearable” instead if you want a conversion service.

Some other bits of info for clarity:

• Walletmor has a partnership with Dangerous Things. Their business model, in an oversimplified nutshell, is to buy a bunch of fobs from iCard and then use DT to do batches of conversion implants with them. Then they resell it for you.

• You can still get an iCard in the UK, but they charge you £50 every month just for the pleasure of using their services.

• If you have an iCard registered in Europe, when using it in the UK you’ll end up paying some transaction fees. Most notoriously, when topping it up.

iCard works as a top up card, so you need to put money in, and then use it. They don’t charge you if you do a bank transfer top up, but charge a fee for any other method. Tricky bit is… with Brexit, depending on your bank and all, your bank might charge you a fee for topping up an european payment service. So worth checking those things first. (Brexit and finance is still murky territory, so these things change a lot at the moment)

• UK contactless terminals are… Weird, to say the least.

I’ve had a walletmor implant and currently hold an NFC ring for payment, and tested them a lot both here (UK) and abroad:

While in places such as Norway or Italy I can usually get the ring to work from about an inch away from the reader, in UK I feel like no one really got how to tweak contactless machines yet.

In the majority of cases in the UK, I need to actively touch the reader with the ring and wait about 1 second for it to work.
Or… Some of those new large white machines pick the ring about 5 inches away. But those are also so “good” that even if I’m using a bank card to do the payment, I cannot use my right hand to pay, because the machine reads both the card and my other NFC implants, and then complains “Please present only one card”.

Other honorable mentions are the self service terminals that you need to almost punch the touch screen to get a read, or the machines which will insist for you to “insert the card” even for an NFC fob at least this seems to be a terminal-specific issue, unlike the bank cards that require being insted themselves.

[Aphrodite]

Ty for all the info!
Ok I’m thinking I might buy from walletmor as they are 250. And Dangerous things being based in America will probs be more with postage and the initial cost of the ring.
If I change my mind where should I message Amal?

Ok good, so the chips don’t require I to insert occasionally, that’s good to know.

And is your walletmor chip working ok?
Hmm your using a ring too? Is the chip unreliable?

[Aphrodite]

@Eyeux

If you have an iCard registered in Europe, when using it in the UK you’ll end up paying some transaction fees. Most notoriously, when topping it up.

Is it just the topping it up? Bc I have revolut and that has only a tiny fee each time.

I emailed walletmor and ask and they didn’t seem to think there were any transaction fees every time u use the chip. Is that correct?
Also, last question:) do u need to upgrade your Icard account to one that with a subscription? Bc it doesn’t seem like u need the premium account, but would be so anying if u did.