LED/glowing microchip?

I feel like its probably pretty hard to “charge” them when they’re under the skin. I’m not positive, but it might end up either needing to be in direct sunlight for a long time, or need to literally have a flashlight held up to your skin for it to work.

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Yep… my bet is a modern smartphone LED flash / flashlight is bright enough… hold for a minute and get quite a glow for at least 10 mins is imagine… probably all that most people care about…

My question is, can they be charged with IR light… basically converting the IR band to visible light. What if you were in a space flooded by IR flood lights… would you have indefinite glow power?

Amal

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Or just put an xLED in it and you can charge it directly. :slight_smile:

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The brightest phosphorescent powders I’ve ever seen are Strontium Silicate + Aluminate Oxide doped with Europium (I happen to have a bunch). Phosphorescent “glow” powders like this absorb UV light (higher energy) and re-emit it as visible light (lower energy). I tried it with Infrared light and it doesn’t work. Unfortunately, UV does not transmit through the skin well. Nevermind the glass capsule it would be contained within. It might work for a tattoo, but probably not an implant.

A biohacker that uses the handle Helyx just got 2 prototypes of what you described implanted at Grindfest this year, so I might be totally wrong. Still waiting on feedback from him.

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Honestly anything visible in less than perfect dark, however brief is all I’m interested in. Even in a dark theater I can barely make out my tritium vile. Plus, if phosphorescent powders make for a much brighter light I could see red and blue as being a viable option.

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White - Aqua - Blue - Coarse Green - Green - Orange

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Just got our xGLO in the mail today. (Well yesterday, it sat overnight in the mailbox. :confused:)

I’m thinking we want to install it where the skin is thin and pale, so it has the best chance of shining through. So probably, inside of our wrist or inside forearm.

We’ll try to get some pics when its done.

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Fair warning, the xGLO is insanely hard to get good pictures of! For it to be particularly visible it has to be darker than most cameras are able to take pictures. Like this is the best picture I’ve managed to mine that I implanted on Monday.

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We got the xGLO in ok last night, pretty much exactly where we wanted. Worried though that it might be a bit too deep. Or maybe it’s just because there’s still swelling etc, its only been 11 hours lol.

We were able to see it, faintly, in a completely dark room. But with even faint ambient light around, can’t see anything at all. :frowning:

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Things should improve around the 4-6 week mark… but yes it is very faint… this has been the issue with tritium vials I’m general. The vial itself does not visibly glow in any normal amount of room lighting, and this is why we never really bothered… but there was interest here so we made a handful.

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Hey thanks @amal!
So yeah its visible ok when we’re in like a really dark room or whatever, which is cool. :slight_smile: It looks kinda neat actually, when you notice it.
Still kinda think we got it a bit too deep but we can see it so thats cool. We were worried for a bit if it was too deep we’d have to try to pull it back out and redo it. :smile:

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Oh I’d rock a tritium vial in my hand for sure. As long it were really, really thick glass.

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You MIGHT still be in luck, Only 15 originally available!
UPDATE I just checked for you, xGLO still available…for now

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Hidden Store link
xGLO

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Managed to get some pics of our xGLO! :smiley:

There’s still some bruising and swelling around it, and it looks like there’s something ‘ontop’ of it in the pics but like we can’t feel anything overtop of it? I dunno what that is but its not like a vein or tendon or anything?

Anyways, its hard getting pics of these things lol. Its easier to see with the eyes than what the camera can pick up. So we had to be a bit artsy with the lighting and stuff. :wink:



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That’s awesome… I bet it’s a vein.

Amal

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This is so so cool! A few safety questions:

  • Is there any possibility this might trip up airport security? I’m guessing the coating takes care of all the radiation and it’d be utterly undetectable.

  • If I got in a car accident and the vial broke, how dangerous is this amount of tritium floating around my body? Are we talking “just a few xrays’ worth” or “almost guaranteed cancer” levels here?

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Yep it tests as background when inside our glass. The ampoule itself spits tons of crap out… but inside our glass it’s just that ghostly glow that makes it out.

Real bad. This is the primary reason we’re not really making it as a public product. The fact we’ve never had a single case where our primary glass has broken is the only reason we made any at all… but yeah, if it breaks inside you and the ampoule also breaks… that would be pretty bad. Tritium goes through beta decay, and while beta particles won’t even make it through your dead skin… from inside your body, seriously bad things will happen.

If you want to scare yourself shitless, check this out; https://www.nirs.org/wp-content/uploads/factsheets/tritiumbasicinfo.pdf where it says…

There is no evidence of a threshold for damage from 3H exposure; even the smallest amount of tritium can have negative health impacts. (Dobson, 1974) Organically bound tritium (tritium bound in animal or plant tissue) can stay in the body for 10 years or more. While tritiated water may be cleared from the human body in about 10 days (Garland), if a person lives in an area where tritium contamination continues, he or she can experience chronic exposure to tritium. (Laskey) Tritium from tritiated water can become incorporated into DNA, the molecular basis of heredity for living organisms. DNA is especially sensitive to radiation. (Hori) A cell’s exposure to tritium bound in DNA can be even more toxic than its exposure to tritium in water.

But, do understand that is a PDF and a statement from an anti-nuclear power site… but still… it’s definitely worth doing a ton of research before even considering this.

Now, that said, some might consider this a more balanced resource; https://hps.org/documents/tritium_fact_sheet.pdf where it says;

Tritium can potentially be hazardous to human health because it emits ionizing radiation, exposure to which may increase the probability that a person will develop cancer during his or her lifetime. For this reason, it is very important that human exposure to any radioactive material, such as tritium, is minimized within reason. However, it is also important to understand that an individual’s cancer risk is affected by many factors, including heredity, lifestyle, and numerous environmental factors, of which radiation exposure is but one of many. It is also important to note that everyone is exposed to radiation every day and, on average, the vast majority of an individual’s radiation exposure in the United States results from medical procedures and naturally produced radiation. In fact, humans have always been exposed to radiation and our bodies have mechanisms that can act to repair damage to our cells that is caused by radiation. As discussed above, tritium is generally only considered to be potentially hazardous when it is inside the body. Tritium can enter the body by inhalation, skin absorption and, mostly commonly, ingestion of tritiated water. For the most part, tritium does not accumulate in any one part of the body, nor does it tend to reside within the body for long periods. Instead, tritium predominantly behaves just like ordinary water in the body, becoming distributed uniformly throughout the body’s water and excreted through the same pathways as water, primarily in the form of urine. A small amount of all tritium that enters the body can become bound to organic compounds. Organically bound tritium atoms do not behave like water, can remain in the body for longer periods, and can accumulate in certain parts of the body; however, the effects of organically bound tritium are generally not significant compared to the predominant form of tritium occurring as water in the body. It also important to note that tritium does not have chemically toxic effects when inside the body and it is hazardous solely due to its radioactivity. While it has been determined that exposure to high levels of ionizing radiation causes cancer, this effect has not been observed for lower doses on the order of background radiation doses, including with tritium. Although the regulatory process and radiation safety practices operate based on the conservative assumption that all radiation exposure increases cancer risk, credible quantitative risk assessments cannot be made for low background levels of radiation exposure. For this reason, the cancer risk, if there is any, posed to a member of the general public by expected environmental tritium exposure levels cannot be determined reliably. In fact, it has been shown that the health effects, namely cancer induction, resulting from such exposures are too improbable to be observed using current data and analytical methods.

Still… the short answer is that tritium is very bad when it gets inside you, and there is a lot of tritium in that ampoule.

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I consider this to be important enough information that I added a link to this specific post in this thread to the hidden product page for the xGLO.

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@amal, to be clear tho as long as the ampule and the bioglass tube are intact, there’s no ionizing radiation escaping? Like nothing above background level right?

FWIW where we have it installed in our arm, there’s nothing hard (bone etc) anywhere near it, its all just like soft tissue and stuff. With all the tests you’ve done on the x series, we’re confident it’s not likely to break in there.

TBH if we had the money we’d get a 2nd one & do the left arm too, for a matched set lol.

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Correct. I have video showing the unprotected ampoule vs our glass protected ampoule. When in our glass, radiation output is the same as background… meaning no significant output. I’ll get it edited together and released soon.

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