My VivoKey Spark 2 implant experience

I can feel an extra tender area, deep in where I injected it, I can’t really feel the microchip itself, though.
Although, I did feel it kind of pop out of the needle when I injected it, too.

I don’t know, I’m stumped. I might have put it too deep. I can’t really tell. I felt it come out of the needle, I think it’s in there… maybe I should get an X-ray and possibly get it removed?
I’m kind of sad, this is a really cool idea Amal had & I wish it worked for me. I’ll wait one more day, then take a trip to the ER just in case… :sleepy:

Will keep you all updated, any way. :innocent:

Have you got a really bright light you can shine through your hand. Should be able to see it.

Try a neodymium magnet first.

Do you have a video of the install.

To me it sounds like it maybe inserted deep.
Since after 2 weeks you still have tenderness.
it may be in a muscle.

Did it hurt more than a Bee sting when you installed it?
Who did the install? yourself, friend or professional?

Try this :arrow_down:

Before you decide to remove it

Maybe get an XRay first

LOL, I did it myself, it’s probably in a muscle.
It didn’t hurt, until I got to the muscle… maybe went a little too far, even into the muscle… who knows…
You’re right I think I hit my head too many times :crazy_face:

Did you video it?

Did you tent the skin first?

What sort of angle did you insert it? ie was the syringe :syringe: parallel with your hand or was there a downward angle?

Did you use any numbing?

Did it feel more painful than a bees sting or giving blood to you?

yeah messing with muscle does hurt… and if it’s still tender when you poke it… it’s very likely far too deep… i would suggest removal. if you can retain it after removal (some docs refuse and throw it away), you can take it to a professional piercer and have them autoclave it, then use a piercing needle to install it properly :slight_smile:

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I thought autoclave was bad for chips?

its not necessarily bad for x-series chips… you can see I cooked one in the oven with chicken (and then ate the chicken) here; We cooked an xIC implantable RFID tag... - YouTube

it’s best to do so in a proper pouch so you can then test it afterward to confirm it still works, without contaminating it. at the very least cover it with sterile gauze and then carefully tap the phone or your test device overtop the gauze

however, you cannot autoclave flex devices

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No I didn’t record it on video.
Yes I tented the skin first, penetrated the skin nearer to my forefinger, was trying to align it with the forefinger in the webbing, (at some point decided what was probably my muscle was the right place to put it, unfortunately, not the case)
I used numbing gel so it didn’t hurt a bit, only when I got to the muscle… :roll_eyes:
It was just a pinch at first, going in I didn’t feel a thing pretty much, overall not a big deal at the time… or so I thought…

Hey, Amal-
Can I get a refund, since I’m within the 30 day period? I can send you back the KBR1 reader and field detector if you want me to…
Thank you very much, so sorry about all this.
Edward J. McCurry II

Personally I think you should keep it,
You have already invested time and money, you might as well get it finished off properly, and achieve what you stated out to do.
go to a professional piercer, Ask them if they can remove it ( Without tools) and then reinstall it correctly.
If not go to a doctor to have it removed, then as Amal suggested

This is why Dangerous Things suggest not doing Self installs

Our x-series transponders are typically installed into the webbing between the metacarpal bones of the index finger and thumb, resting parallel to the index metacarpal. The reason they are installed in the hand has to do with the extremely short read range of x-series chips and the typical use case being some form of access control where the tag must be presented to a fixed reader of some kind. The suggested placement within the hand was chosen due to the lack of major nerve bundles or blood vessels running through that area.

Achieving a safe installation definitely requires a steady hand and experience performing aseptic procedures. Dangerous Things prefers our customers locate one of our professional body piercing or body modification partners to complete the installation of this product. If no partners are available in your area, you should be able to follow this guide to finding a professional in your area who is willing to assist you. For aftercare information and what to expect, please read our X-Series FAQ page.

Out of curiosity, what brand cell phones have you tried using?

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For what it’s worth, my spark 2 is the hardest chip of mine to get a read on, while seeming to be the same depth

I’d say give it time, and practice on a field detector

And then if that fails do as pilgrim says, remove and reinstall

Wether or not Amal covers you, I don’t think its his fault at all… that’s the risk of self install

Only the Samsung Galaxy Z FlIp3 5G from xfinity.
My other phones didn’t have nfc.

Thanks for that, I was wondering if it was just me or my phone.

I haven’t even implanted mine.

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I would borrow some friends phones then, sounds like it’s a sub optimal phone, with a harder to read chip (my experience) in a potentially harder to read location

Try a phone with known good nfc

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As for reinstallation that’s out of the question for me, the closest listed piercer is like an hour away, I’m broke too. I got the injectable and did it myself obviously at my own risk. But there is a money back guarantee.

I had a bad experience and it hasn’t worked for me yet so I’m considerably annoyed at myself right now.

I’d even take a magic ring with a proxmark instead. In the end I’m not going to be a jerk or anything about it, it was my fault.

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That is close. For me the closest possible piercer is at least 2 hours away and the closest listed is 5 hours away.

It doesn’t have to be a listed piercer, unless you are in a state that does not allow certain things (I am) you should be able to find someone. You might have to go to a doctor to have it removed, and then a piercer to autoclave and reimplant it. But it is definitely worth asking a local piercer. There are even good materials and threads about approaching piercers.

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Agreed, my installer is not on the list, I think the list is semi broken at the moment to be honest… it’s supposedly been a work in progress for a “soon” amount of time

As far as being broke… the chip doesn’t have to go right back in

You can remove it, toss it in a solution tube and store it till your ready (or financially ready) for it to go back in your skin

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