@Pilgrimsmaster why can you have many emojis in titles and we cant?
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Haha, I actually wondered the same when I tried to make the bodmod-thread look a bit fancier!
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Itās a super secretā¦and Iām not telling 
OK, Iāll tell just you twoā¦ 
I actually made the title, but another member edited it and added the emojis.
My guess is, after the multi emoji title was made, Amal reduced the number allowed in a title to one.
Discourse seems to respect threads and posts made prior to any settings changes that would affect them.
Iām pretty sure it is the only thread with multiple emojis in the title
I guess, that make this thread, just a little bit specialā¦
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Starting the think about rfid car access,
Iām hoping a certain simple electrical component exists,
Iām hoping thereās a relay that alternates with each activation.
End goal, I want to be able to trigger the XACv2, and it activates path 1, and if I trigger it again, it activates path 2
Path 1 would be unlock and path 2 would be lock on my key fobā¦ wiring to the car doesnāt seem very doable
Flip-Flop Relay
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That is a very kind offer, however, I am well aware of those issues ALL people involved are exposed to thank you.
I donāt see this conversation going well, and even this thread is not the place for that conversation.
We both have very strong and differing views about jokes, humour and offense, we both will have valid points and neither will invalidate the other, as they are purely DIFFERENT points of view.
I know you wonāt change your stance, as Iām sure over the years you have āheard it allā and know what side of the fence you sit on, and I respect you for that, I also wonāt change mine for the same reasons.
Like I say, thanks for the offer, but this is not the place for that conversation.
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Nor is it the place to be making jokes like that, particularly as moderator of a public forum for a business. It would be nice to be part of a public community where ājokesā made at the expense of myself and others in vulnerable minority groups arenāt ignored and brushed off.
I do not respect you at all.
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You are, of course entitled to your opinion, as am Iā¦
Basically, I am monke
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The Journey To The West?
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In case anyone wonders why I am hereā¦
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Amals vimpay conversions have even pointier edges, I wish heād cut the edges of like they did.
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I think this isnāt the battle to pick @Pilgrimsmaster - without providing commentary on what is humour and what is offensive and the shrinking line between them, I think itās fair to say that if this forum is ānot the placeā for discussing how a joke offends others, then perhaps potentially offensive jokes donāt further what this community hopes to achieve either.
Body modding is too small of a niche (and the world is already too cruel) for us to be divisive, maybe lets keep jokes limited to the topics that are appropriate for the forum to have discussions on that can bring more people to this community.
Iām sure many will disagree with this, but thatās my two cents. If a joke is fair game, I think a discussion is too on a discussion forum.
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Sigh. Here we go again, yeah? No.
I think this is somewhat of a sad idea - I mean, who decides on what is appropriate? Pick a random joke, and Iāll instantly show you someone who will inevitably be offended by it. Promise. So, no more jokes?
Another thing, I was taught that it is always healthy to be able to laugh about myself, and I really try to. So jokes about women, modded people, chipped people, cyber people, people wearing black, people living in a house, people having sex with other people, white people or people with neurodermitis are, if theyāre good, absolutely suitable to make me laugh.
Whatās the by far bigger problem for me is:
Then why are you here? Baseline respect is the absolute minimum on what I expect from each and every member of this forum.
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Can we avoid getting this thread locked again plz? Not pointing at anyone, letās just switch topics.
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I donāt know if I didnāt explain myself very well or you just disagree, but to clarifyā¦ Iām not saying jokes canāt be offensive, I enjoy dark humour, I understand everyone has a different line. Iām not objecting to the joke, Iām objecting to the idea that we can throw around a topic at will as long as itās framed as a joke but then say this forum is an inappropriate place to discuss that topic. Seems like a double standard to me.
The topic is either fair game for discussion (moving to off topic if its not relevant to the original thread) or it isnāt. Iām not even saying the discussion will be beneficial, just that it is either a topic that is fine by community standards or it isnāt, and that being a joke shouldnāt alter that determination. There have been jokes about politics, body modding, covid and the way it has been handled, all sorts of things here and they have been seen as fair discussion topics.
If we can joke about violence against sex workers, why is talking about that in off topic not fair game? As long as the way it is discussed follows the rules I donāt see that the topic isnāt fit for discussion when the door was opened already.
I absolutely agree with this, but I donāt know that makes a difference for the point Iām making. Iām not arguing that a joke was or wasnāt in line, just that if the joke is fair the discussion should be fair too in a respectful way.
To me this is a different topic, itās not even about the joke itself or the topic, its about what the community standards are. It would be disappointing to see it locked over a discussion about clarifying what the expectations and rules here actually are.
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Okay, sorry - I misunderstood you 
In that case I agreeā¦ I would really like to have a discussion about that topic, I even asked once (before the thread was locked for the first time) why people sometimes react that harsh and aggressive, but I didnāt get any (!) answer.
The reason, I guess, why Pilgrim wanted to avoid the discussion, is that some people here just step in and snap against others without any attempt to reasonably discuss, and thatās some problemā¦
Because a discussion about
might actually be very interesting and even helpful.
So if the āoffendedā people might be able and willing to have a normal, peaceful, non-snapping and non-bitching discussion, and the āoffensiveā people as well, things could get really interesting here
Though I have to add - people not having any respect for others here still shocks me to a certain degree.
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Iāve been observing this friction for awhile now. I can say that itās not the type of joke that is upsetting. Literally any joke is fair game if the purpose was to make someone laugh in the moment. Dark humor, discriminatory humor, gross stereotyping, fart jokes, even jokes about the genocide of a people. They can all be funny in the perfect setting, once.
The problem arises when after the joke is found funny, a bunch of people pile on and continue to beat that dead horse even though they know it could be offensive. Like the floodgates have opened and now we all have license. Itās the continued persistence and driving home the offense over and over again that causes the pain in any offended parties. If youāre in a room and get a whiff of vomit, you might be fine, but if the room becomes flooded with bile smell youāre gonna get sick.
I would say the fix is simple, tone it down, be conscious, donāt keep recycling the same offense to squeeze every last iota of humor out of it despite the fact you know itās iffy. Donāt treat it like black and white, no jokes or all jokes. And donāt get belligerent when people call you out. Weāre all adults here (mostly), we can handle walking through this sea of gray to explore our common interests.
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So, letās imagine you walk into a classroom at a new school. People are nice, tou get along with everyone. Then kids start making jokes about gay folks, trans folks, whateverā¦ and maybe youāre gay or trans? Kinda sucks right? So you ask the teacher to tell the kids to stop, but the teacher says āOh, theyāre just having a laugh.ā
Then the kids make jokes about something else thatās pretty horrendous, and yet again the teacher says āTheyāre just jokes! Why canāt you laugh too?ā and this keeps happening, with the teacher joining in on the jokes about you too.
You wouldnāt lose respect for those kids and that teacher?
I like jokes too, and I like dark humour as well, but thereās a difference between punching up and punching down. When youāre in a public community and someone just says āHey, thatās kinda shit can we not do thatā then perhaps we should, or at least ask why and listen to them cuz thereās probably a legitimate reason for it. Whatās a new student gonna think if they walk into a new classroom with people making fun of kids just like them?
Iām not trying to stop anyone from ever having any fun here, but Iām also not gonna silently cry in a corner when the jokes are about me.
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Thanks for the calm answer - thatās the kind of discussion that might actually bring us ahead.
This, exactly this, happened to me all the time during school - not because I was gay or trans, just because I was different. People, including teachers, laughed about me, called me names, pupils threw stones at me. Thatās one thing why Iām sometimes a bit annoyed by the so-called āvulnerable minority groupsā - I donāt even really belong to one, and yet people treated me bad. So being trans, being gay, being a woman or a people of colour doesnāt give you any more ārightā to feel discriminated against.
And even if I lost respect for some of those pupils and teachers, I for myself decided not to let them rule my life. People say the same shit to me, nowadays, but I can shrug and walk away (or bite back, from time to time ). And people can make jokes about it, and I can laugh.
Yet I agree, if itās too much, I usually tell them to stop, and they usually do, and allās fine.
I donāt see women, sex workers, gays, trans people, people of colour or anyone else of the āvulnerableā groups as being ādownā. It depends on where you live and who is the majority there, of course - I experienced quite massive racism against white people and especially asian people while being in Africa, so itās always people who are ādifferentā that get the scorn. So would being a white supremacist in Africa be āpunching upā?
Same here, but - weāre all different here. Weāre all in some place slightly next to ānormal societyā, and I would never ever say that any joke about any member here is punching down.
When I walked into this āclassroomā here, I was pleasantly surprised by the tone. I was on some anonymous imageboard before, and the amount of racism and misogyny that happened there was just insane. I had some discussions there but ultimately decided to just go away.
Here, people are generally very friendly and helpful, and so, if I see someone making a joke or crossing some line, I usually assume itās not in bad intention.
By now, some provocation might be part of it as well, I admit - but thatās a problem on both sidesā¦ And I must say, it was mostly people from the āoffended crewā (I just lack a better wordā¦) who reacted with quite a violent aggression. Calm posts, like the one you just made, were rare, and thatās sad - we need some chance to de-escalate, and nobody is willing to de-escalate when being shouted at.
Nobody wants you to cry in a corner if a jokeās on you! Best thing - laugh. Second best - shrug and ignore. Third best - say something eloquent and ideally even funny to show why the joke wasnāt a good one. Fourth best - say, calm and clearly, that this joke was not okay. Worst - enrage.
We had the last case several times, and thatās not helpful for anyone. Like I said, this counts for both sides of the spectrum
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