I think it has a lot to do with how much is unknown, they want to push for vaccines and thatās good and wellā¦ but pushing misleading information or creating mass fear/hysteria isnāt. (Think omicron)
It would only make sense to make vaccine checks compulsory if we knew for 100% fact that being vaccinated halted the virus altogether, or that it prevented both re-infection and transmissionā¦ but the data doesnāt agree
CDC funded study ^
Creating your account and immediately posting this isnāt a great start. You say both:
as well as:
Considering fairly basic public health protection measures to be dystopian isnāt helping the divisiveness you perceive.
Vaccine mandates in times of health crises arenāt new, and they havenāt caused issues in the past. School children in the US have generally been required to be vaccinated for over 160 years now (since the 1850s).
Every event Iāve seen in my area that required vaccination, also accepted a positive antibody test as valid. Also, that point might be made moot due to the variants. The vaccine teaches your bodyās immune system to specifically attack the spike protein, which applies to all known variants (although Omicron has yet to be seen, and yes, it could be an issue). Natural immunity likely isnāt as generally effective, primarily providing protection for the same strain that caused the initial infection.
Also, you say ānobodyā, but thatās a point that Iāve seen almost all right-wing publications peddling for nearly a year now.
You made it political as soon as you mentioned āReally glad to be living in America rnā, while calling the rest of the world increasingly scary and dystopian. This forum is incredibly international, and a considerable number of people on this forum live in places with stronger public health protections than the US.
One problem, which came up recently in several areas, is that unvaccinated folks who get hospitalized with COVID take up unnecessary room in the ICU, potentially stopping those with severe injuries from getting the care they need. The vaccines heavily, heavily reduce hospitalizations and deaths, lightening the load on healthcare infrastructure. While you might think that vaccination should be a private decision, everyone shares hospitals with those around them, and capacity is limited.
With the vaccine being incredibly safe, thereās no real risk in mandating it.
(@Pilgrimsmaster, not sure what you want to do here, this whole chain throws the thread off-topic, and overall Iām not sure how useful/meaningful this discussion is/will be)
You do realize it takes the FDA ~10yrs to get the proper safety data and semi-long term data? There is 0 long term studies, itās an experimental compound. What qualified you to make the declaration of āincredibly safeā for other people? ā¦ Do whatever the hell you want with your own body, keep your āmandatesā to yourself; didnāt mean to trigger you so hard.
Iām maybe a bit pragmatic on that point. Yeahā¦ if things go bad, I might grow a third arm in 20 years or so. If that happens (or other more serious stuff), Iām fucked, okay.
But if I get long covid now, Iām fucked as well - and that risk is very real, this shit happens.
So I can choose to protect myself (and a lot of others) against a very real and actually happing threat, or I can choose not to do it because of āpossibleā risks nobody has yet seen. Plus, I am no medical scientist, so I think I have to trust those who studied all that, and who supposedly know what theyāre talking about - I mean, I donāt go to an architect who is designing a house and tell him āwell, Iād like to have that wall some meters over there, just my gut feelingā - Iām not the professional here.
The grandma of one of my colleagues had a femoral neck fracture recently, and they had to drive her around a lot until they found a hospital with enough room to take her. Imagine this with something that requires immediate action, like a stroke or a heart attack, and youāll get a feeling why people here are a bit angry at others who fill up hospitals though it might not be neccessaryā¦
And, last and maybe most important point for me - I know the vaccination doesnāt give you 100% security, it just makes bad things (a lot) less likely to happen. If I would infect one of my beloved ones, and they would get seriously sick, I would not be able to live with that. And that risk is reduced, a lot. Not 100%, but enough for me.
I agreed that it does seem to reduce hospitalization and death, just that all the data wasnāt in, and that it should be a personal choice at the end of the day. Really wasnāt my intention to make the dude cry
Was the reason I linked in the study, seems having the jab may not reduce your viral load significantly or risk of transmitting to others. Not trying to step on anyone, just saying everyone should have the right to decide for themselves
As coma said very eloquently, Iām not qualified. Instead, I trust professionals at the top of their fields, that have spent decades learning. I trust the researchers at my university, studying both the safety of current vaccines as well as techniques for new ones. I trust the medical and scientific communities, which nearly unilaterally agree that the vaccine is safe.
The very same FDA that studied the various US COVID vaccines and deemed them perfectly safe? Itās not like the entire FDA suddenly changed the moment the pandemic happened. Itās the same FDA that created and followed those rules, but it deemed them unnecessary due to the high test pool during the EUA phase, as well as the fantastic longer term data from the initial test trials.
Sounding like a bit of a broken record there, and itās also a bit of a cop-out.
If you would have bothered to read any forum posts prior to posting, you might have seen that weāve had discussions on this very topic before. However, the discussions were completely polite, and there was good back and forth.
You made that impossible from the start, because you didnāt make your first post with good intentions.
You do whatever is best for you 
If 6 months is āfantastic longer term dataā to you, perhaps you need a new university.
Typical 10yrs for FDAās phase 4 trials to complete is nowhere near or close to 10 months. It was passed under emergency-use situations. Nobody is saying itās not safe, just that all the data isnāt there yet. Clearly you donāt give a damn about your own civil liberties, try not to shit all over other peoples civil liberties.
First of all, for vaccinations in an emergency situation like this, this is deemed enough by people who studied all that, yes. I personally think that a lot of connections between vaccinations or medical treatments in general and reactions of the body many years or decades later are not yet discovered, and due to varying lifestyles they will be very hard to prove at all. And I have to add that Iām definitely no fan of big pharma and all that, and that I try to manage most of my health problems with medicinal plants, eating healthy, reducing stress and whatever. When I have a massive infection, I still visit a doc and get some antibiotics. When I break my arm, Iād go to ER. So it all depends on how serious the situation is - and the current situation is serious.
So you think it is safe, and itās still okay not to get vaccinated because of missing data to prove it is? That makes no sense at all - people are dying. I donāt think itās clever to wait for more data while people die every dayā¦
It is clear there are some strong and opposing views.
But we might want to tone it down.
Have fun, make your point, stand you ground, agree, disagree, I donāt care, but letās keep it polite.
No, Iām not personally saying that it is or isnāt safe, just that the data isnāt all there to enforce mandates or coercing other people into getting it.
Iām not downplaying the deaths, but also recognizing that the spanish flu 100 years ago killed up to 100 million people in a fairly short period of time, COVID appears more like a severe flu, with the mass media coverage making it seem much worse than it actually is
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I saw that, great new videoā¦
speaking of which I wonder how this is going
now i regret havent ordered a xg2 v1 with my order to have the film and do some destruction tests with it until it breaks 
maybe next sale ;D
i would love to put it in a piece of meat and
Slam it in a car door
Run it over with the car
drop it from really high up
and so on 
Are you seriously saying that COVID āisnāt that badā because it didnāt kill more people than the spanish flu?
Could you take into consideration that medical care has evolved a lot since those times? I think the spanish flu would be a lot less dangerous now, compared to 100 years agoā¦
Compare how many people die of COVID vs. the fluā¦ plus, the long-term consequences. Thatās quite a bit different, I guessā¦
And sadly enough, we are considering triage in Germany now - so people will not only die of COVID, but also because some idiots who refused to get their shot fill up hospital beds. Sorry, but my tolerance is clearly at its end here.
I never said nor implied that. Thatās absurd to put words in my mouth like that. If the data shows the viral load seems to be about the same for vaxxed vs unvaxxed, how is it the āidiots who refused to get their shot fill up hospital bedsā. Itās literally telling you being vaccinated doesnāt prevent you from infecting someone else. Did you even look at the study?
Or are we just repeating what we heard on the news? Sorry but my tolerance is at its end too. Agree to disagree, have a nice day
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That isnāt the primary concern when it comes to filling up hospitals, and doesnāt refute my nor comaās point. Viral load doesnāt factor into this at all. What matters is hospitalization rates in unvaccinated vs. vaccinated. The reason why the unvaccinated are āidiots who refused to get their shot fill up hospital bedsā is because the hospitalization rate for unvaccinated people is ~9 times higher.
āFor all adults aged 18 years and older, the cumulative COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate was about 9 times higher in unvaccinated persons.ā
The vaccine greatly reduces hospitalizations and deaths. Itās that simple.
It sounds like youāre just repeating what youāve heard on Fox or Newsmax.
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And the features it lacks from Photoshop are exactly the ones where Gimp is actually better than Photoshop.