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anon3825968 · November 21, 2020, 1:14pm

Of course Barefoot hikers routinely walk on stuff like that - more typically coarse gravel when hiking.

I’ll tell you a secret: the more Legos bricks, the less they hurt, because they distributes the pressure over a wider area. Same principle as nail beds. What really hurts is that single Lego brick or pebble that you didn’t see and digs deep into your skin.

if you watch around 3:00 in this video, you can see me hike on gravel. It’s not pleasant but it’s not a problem because there are enough of them strewn around.

But I’ll tell you what’s rather more unpleasant: here in Finland, when the temperatures drop, the city spreads gravel all over the roads and cycle paths. That’s not nice to walk on when it’s warm because it’s spread thinly, and it’s even less nice when it’s cold because your skin isn’t as compliant. And if it’s cold enough, you can’t feel it after a while, which is dangerous. And then the next day, the snow slush freezes over and forms really nasty ice ridges that are even more painful.

Re the Lego thing specifically: I feel I could have a crack at it. The question is: would I, just to get into the stupid Guinness book of world records? Probably not. If there was a money prize attached to it however, that’d be different - because quite frankly, walking 2.5 miles over a carpet of small Lego bricks really doesn’t sound like an insurmountable challenge at all.

anon2520759 · November 21, 2020, 2:51pm

I feel like 99.9% of Guinness World Records are synonymous with “World’s Dumbest Human Trick”

anon3825968 · November 21, 2020, 3:11pm

Yep. The Guiness book is the Jackass of its time: as soon as it started reporting “feats” performed by people, other people tried to outdo them, however stupid the feats.

I had one of those books when I was a kid: the natural, factual facts were fun to read about (tallest, smallest, darkest-skinned, most red-haired, whatever…). But I’ve always felt things like most swords swallowed at any given time, most tattoos, most concrete slabs broken with a karake kick were an invitation for someone to do something stupid.

Coma · November 21, 2020, 4:16pm

My favorite is the guy who put hundreds of clothes pegs on his face… I mean, where do such ideas come from?
And for bodymods, it’s just pointless now - there is this guy who has 100% of his skin covered in tattoos… might be hard to top that.

Yep, but it looks like this is the smallest part of it by now^^

anon3825968 · November 21, 2020, 6:48pm

Well, print this vintage ad and put it up on your wall for decoration:

darthdomo · November 21, 2020, 9:15pm

Out of curiosity, has anyone here had experience with the PinePhone? I just ordered one (the Manjaro version with the convergence package, for more RAM), hoping it’ll get here in a reasonable length of time. I’ve seen it mentioned here a few times. From a blog post last month, the developers are apparently working on an official NFC case, which is exciting. Would make a great platform for playing around with RFID on the go, especially since you can also just connect a proxmark over USB as well, and use the normal command line application (assuming that Iceman compiles fine on ARM). I do a ton of Linux development, so the idea of being able to run full command line programs on the go without Android fuckery sounds great. I’m taking a class rn that involves a ton of ARM assembly as well, so it’ll be very handy to be able to run ARM assembly programs natively on-the-go.

EDIT: Fixed a dumb spelling error.

ThePolishedTurd · November 21, 2020, 10:45pm

I haven’t had any experience with any Linux phones but I have kinda been following the news for the Librem 5. If you get one let me know I’ve been on the fence for getting one quite a while.

Eyeux · November 22, 2020, 12:29am

Yep.
It’s my staple now. Only thing that got me out of a BlackView.

Mostly running PostMarket OS in it, but I keep on rebuilding it with other stuff to try out. Love the Freedom.

I’m not so worried about an NFC case for it since My main NFC on-the-go device will soon be this beautiful dolphin here:

But sure am excited with the new stuff Pine is consistently launching!

And their NFC case will indeed open the doors for a whole new world!!

darthdomo · November 22, 2020, 12:35am

Great to hear that you’ve had a good experience with it. The Flipper Zero looks great indeed, but I missed the initial crowdfunding campaign I’m planning on swapping out the OS pretty constantly once I get my PinePhone, love the amount of distros that already exist for it. I’m checking out PostMarketOS for sure, already planning on running either that or Manjaro as my main. Love that it can boot off of the micro SD cards, should make distro-hopping pretty easy. How smooth has it been for you lately? I heard about the kernel fixes to allow for 60Hz, but it’s been hard for me to find many videos of that in operation. Most reviews are from before that fix was published. Also, how long did it take for you to get yours? I’ve heard around a month generally, wondering if that was your experience as well.

Eriequiet · November 22, 2020, 12:56am

Same, I honestly wish they would give implants some consideration especially since some of the flipper people have been on this forum

MysticHand · November 22, 2020, 12:58am

have you tried sailfish. I am working on porting nethunter to it. Will more than likly have to go back to Kali and work down from there.

Im wanting the Flipper One!!!

Eyeux · November 22, 2020, 2:16am

Indeed! Quite happy with it!

Performance wise: it’s not to be expected to perform as a flagship, but the lightweight OS makes it perform well enough.

Booting from SD cards: Just perfect. I can carry around a series of OS images, each tailored for it’s own scenario (think black arch )

The main issue with it is that the Anbox integration is still in experimental stages and I’m not a fan of Snap (which also has it’s own issues). So if you depend on Banking, 2FA or mainstream communication apps… then you might have to tinker a lot with it, or wait a bit longer for the Anbox integration to become stable.
Although I can’t say that is an issue of the phone. It’s more a side effect of utilising an emerging technology.

It did improve the jump time between screens… but I seldom use apps in it to experience the best performance gains from it. I mostly run stuff through command line.
There is some sort of poetry in using your phone through command line…

You heard well.
Took me almost 2 months but I’m in UK and It came to me right when we had a big issue with the postal service delays… so I’d guess 1 month should be the default time.

They did included a fully programmable NFC + RFID module in it.

I do see your point, though, especially since they do have some crossed devs with this community.
Would be ideal to have both communities working together! ^^

But I can understand that first they got to serve their focus demographic of pentesters.
And honestly, if I’m using it on a serious pentest run, the last thing I want is to have my chips IDs in there. If you get caught all your electronics get labelled and cloned before they respect your contract and let you go.

I didn’t actually got to test it.

I got interested but it didn’t boot up on my weird android phones…
And then I shifted my focus to Pine, which had far too many OS options already to keep me fairly busy, and is open source.

But SailFish seemed to be quite interesting as well!

Now that would make it even more interesting!
Nethunter is quite a brilliant toolset! Would love to see it in a modern phone!
I don’t use it myself, but that’s just because I grew tired of Desktop focused distros, like Kali. So I’m usually on Arch + Black AUR with i3. Even on my phone and “tablet” (repurposed Surface Pro 3).

Once I got used to the commodity and speed of plain window managers, Desktops just feel so sluggish… and clunky.

MysticHand · November 22, 2020, 2:21am

I remember before backtrack was even a thing. When you had to dial in and do it all by hand. Lol

darthdomo · November 22, 2020, 2:24am

Thankfully I plan on using it mainly as a secondary device, with my Pixel 4a as my main (I would like to be surprised though, would love to be able to use the PinePhone as my main). However, I’ve heard the Telegram app works quite well, and that’s the main communication app I use.

100% agreed, I’m very excited for that capability. I’ve tried before with rooted Android phones, but it never felt quite right, not being pure linux (plus running an entirely different userland). I’m an Arch user, so I’m excited for Arch Linux ARM and Manjaro. Being able to run pacman on a cell phone is a dream of mine. Thanks for your responses, by the way. Watching videos about the PinePhone is one thing, talking directly to someone who has one is infinitely more useful IMO.

Eriequiet · November 22, 2020, 10:22am

So someone else mentioned this the other day and it’s been smoldering on my hamster wheel

How hard would it be to wire a chi charger to a wifi SD card?

I know I’m not the only one to consider the possibilities, but haven’t seen any chatter as to why it can’t be done

Satur9 · November 22, 2020, 11:31pm

It wouldn’t be very difficult, in fact the power requirements are low enough that you could probably use NFC energy harvesting for an even friendlier user experience.

Some reasons I suspect it hasn’t been done yet:

NFC uses magnetic fields which are not significantly affected by skin, but WiFi and Bluetooth use electric fields that are heavily affected by the dielectric properties of flesh. That coupled with the much higher frequency (2.4GHz instead of 13.56MHz) results in a lot of attenuation. You can probably get a connection through the skin, but it will be spotty (reduced range and lower data rate due to missed packets)
WiFi antennas are large. That’s why these devices are usually only available as full size SD cards. Most people aren’t willing to impact a rectangular object that big.
What even is the use case of a data storage implant that you need to carry an external device to power? I’ve never understood the draw of this unless you’re regularly trying to smuggle information out of places with repressive governments.

Eyeux · November 23, 2020, 12:01am

I begun like that, with a Blackview P10000 as my main.

I get you there.
I had a few rooted androids. even a laptop running Android.
But it isn’t nearly the same thing…

Plus, most of the software you can use on a linux pc you can also use on a Pine! (Except the heavily hardware embedded stuff, oc)

+1!
I actually spent about an year perfecting my Arch Surface Pro3 image… and as soon as I got happy with it, Pine launched a very similar product!

At least I’m happy that they are expanding the line!

Don’t worry! ^^
That’s what the forum is for!

Eyeux · November 23, 2020, 12:23am

Am I the only one thinking about Johnny Mnemonic?

The best way I could think of such kind of implant would be with a component which anchors to the bone and comes out through the skin. The piece could have a magnet and an antenna or open connector.
You could then utilise a patch on top with a battery and possibly a BLE or wifi module.

Take a look on pages 14 and 15 of this surgery guide.

Although everything would need to be custom of course.
From a new piece (the guide is just a reference to method), to whatever it would connect to, to the method of implantation…
But you got yourself a neat little project there!

anon3825968 · November 23, 2020, 12:45am

To be honest, I’ve never understood the attraction of carrying a WiFi hub with a mini webserver hosting a few pages with download links under one’s skin neither, like Lepht and one other dude whose name eludes me did. Like you said, maybe to distribute information to the masses in an oppressive regime. But it’s more a case of not having something on your body, but rather in your body, for reasons that don’t have much to do with body augmentation.

In fairness, the same can be said of RFID implants (they’re short-range wirelessly accessible data stores worn under the skin after all). But at least those are widely used for access control the world over, so they can reasonably be said to augment the wearer by letting them interface easily with a wide variety of pre-existing embedded systems, for a real functional result that benefits the wearer in their daily life.

Satur9 · November 23, 2020, 12:56am

I agree that we’re splitting hairs with the distinction between WiFi storage device and RFID implant, but as people who are operating in the space I feel it’s fair to separate the two. Almost no users are using their RFID implants to store data, they’re being used as an identifier and to point to where information is being stored on the internet. RFID is powered by the reader, while a data storage implant would be powered by a device separate from the reader. It just seems like a whole lot of rigamarole for basically no benefit.