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[vepr]

I just have a NExT installed in L4.

I could take some suggestions. I just want to make sure I don’t install in a place that could be irritated by lifting weights, shooting guns, dropping a back pack on my arm, etc. I’m right hand dominate.

I’m also thinking about installing a Flex in the future. Either a FlexSecure or a FlexClass. I want to leave a good spot for that.

Right now I’m thinking about installing the xEM at position R4 and the xSSID at L0 or my forearm.

The xEM would be used more for locks and cloning. I’m in Cyber Security and like hacking.

The xSSID I think would be used more for storing info. i primarily got it for the LED.

I also recently read about installing in the anatomical snuff box which seems good. I’m not sure how that would work since my hands are kind of skinny.

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@vepr

I could take some suggestions

That I can do

@vepr

don’t install in a place that could be irritated by lifting weights, shooting guns,

Once healed, no positions should cause you any issues with either of those.

@vepr

dropping a back pack on my arm

checkout

Apex Flex Implant update - minor regret

I don’t regret the location, just now more aware

@vepr

I’m also thinking about installing a Flex in the future. Either a FlexSecure or a FlexClass. I want to leave a good spot for that.

FlexClass is a specific use case chip, so unless you have a need for it, rule it out.

FlexSecure is an untethered Apex Flex (load your own applets, rather than through Fidesmo, and control your own key)

“a good spot” depends on how you want to use it.
Back of the hand P#2-4/5 is pretty good for most things.
If you dont see yourself using it for locks/access, you could do above wrist (watch area)

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ok, the next two…

@vepr

Right now I’m thinking about installing the xEM at position R4 and the xSSID at L0 or my forearm

@vepr

The xSSID I think would be used more for storing info. i primarily got it for the LED.

xEM, could go anywhere really, But, to save real-estate, I would reccomend putting it alongside (>5mm) your xSIID.
If you want it to Blinky , i would suggest the forearm would not be as good as the hand, due to the hand skin being thinner.

So Both in ~ P#4 would be doable, personally I like the back of the hand for flex, and P#0 for xSeries But I also have xSeries in P4-L and will be putting xEM next to FlexDF2 in P4-R.
Just make sure you plan ahead, and consider what you may want in the future.

@vepr

I also recently read about installing in the anatomical snuff box which seems good.

Most likely me!?

I have a Spark in my Left and xNT in my Right, I really like it, and im not sure why more people dont do it.

I have prominent vascular hands, and zero issue with either of mine.

I hope that was of some use, but all just my opinion, others my have better suggestions.

Keep us in the loop as to what you decide, and ask away if you have nore questions

[Eyeux]

@vepr

I just want to make sure I don’t install in a place that could be irritated by lifting weights, shooting guns, dropping a back pack on my arm, etc. I’m right hand dominate.

Placing slightly in between metacarpals, back of hand, might do the trick then.

Not that either of those activities by themselves should cause any issues with any healed implant, as pointed by @Pilgrimsmaster…
Yet I would avoid anything close to an edge or directly atop a very active tendon.

Not because of any issue with the implant placement, but because if something goes wrong in that activity and that causes a tendon inflammation, then the implant being on the way might give you an added headache while trying to sort that.

@Pilgrimsmaster

“a good spot” depends on how you want to use it.
Back of the hand P#2-4/5 is pretty good for most things.

Well said!

@Pilgrimsmaster

I have a Spark in my Left and xNT in my Right, I really like it, and im not sure why more people dont do it.

I think it’s because it feels weird to present an internal area of your hand to a reader, while only imagining it (i.e. not having implants yet).

The right hand “snuff box” (Radial fossa) makes it easy to present to readers around the waist height on the right hand side, on a stand on the left hand side, or anything either mobile or facing upwards, but is a bit awkward for other positions:

For example, at my building, the readers are “conveniently” placed at shoulder level, near the corner on the right hand side of a corridor. Therefore I cannot approach it from the left, so to present the Radial fossa to it, I would need to place my back against the corridor wall and that feels awkward, especially carrying stuff…
(I got curious and just stepped outside to test it)

I can see many scenarios where it would be a great placement though, but it feels more like an “advanced placement”, for people who know what they’re gonna do with it instead of a newcomer placement…

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Eyeux

it feels more like an “advanced placement”, for people who know what they’re gonna do with it instead of a newcomer placement…

That’s a very fair statement.

I also dont want to talk it up, because there is plenty of scope to fuck up the install and do yourself some real damage.

There are tendons either side

Significant vein running through

[Eriequiet]

is there anyone that is skilled with windows device manager, when its doing weird stuff?
I have a couple devices that are being weird…

I’m NO expert at it, but I can usually fumble my way through…and google stuff… but I’m officially at a loss and popping smoke…
lemme know if anyone is willing to help me iron a few bugs out

cliff notes,
2 devices turning their RGB back on 20 seconds after a full shutdown, even though they were off before the shutdown… devices behave and stay dark going to sleep… but misbehave on a shutdown? along with additional diagnostic weirdness
1 or 2 devices STILL waking from sleep, despite NOTHING being authorized any longer to wake per device manager and powercfg

[vepr]

Yeah @Pilgrimsmaster, it was your post that got me wondering about the anatomical snuff box.

I thought my NExT was in L4 but it’s actually L3. I was confused by the picture I looked at.

Any pros and cons between spot 3 and 4? My current implant feel like its laying against the side of the metacarpal. A vein is touching the other side of my implant. It doesn’t hurt and if I put pressure on the implant, it just sinks down between the metacarpal and vein. So I’m keeping it.

I like positions 1-4, but my veins look like they take up a lot of realestate in my hands. It seema like an implant is going to be laying beside or against a vein anywhere I put it.

I’m interested in FlexClass because my employer uses iClass tags. I’ve already figured out how to clone them to a Legacy tag. They don’t use the full potential of their Seos readers I guess.

I thought about placing the xEM and xSIID next to each other but I rather keep them apart a bit so there aren’t any weird collisions. I guess that wouldn’t be likely though.

[mfries18]

@Eriequiet have a look at your BIOS/UEFI settings, there should be some settings that regulate USB power. Mine has an option that powers USB devices when PC is off for charging reasons, started killing my wireless mouse if I didn’t turn it off manually

[Eriequiet]

@mfries18

@Eriequiet have a look at your BIOS/UEFI settings, there should be some settings that regulate USB power

I’ll take another crack at it, but I didn’t see anything about usb power in the bios, normally it’s there… but this Asus bios is slightly weird

I was hoping to not polute the thread… but then again it’s THIS thread so really it’s just feeding the fish

Hardware,
It’s an Asus scar 15 laptop (533q)
And I have a wall powered usb hub plugged into the laptop,

I know what your thinking, but bear with me…it’s weirder than the laptop or just the usb hub…

So my Logitech g13 and Asus balteus mousepad are the problem children,
The g13 sits dark 99% of the time and only really turns on when it’s control software is running

So if I put the laptop to sleep, everything behaves properly… goes dark and stays dark (ignoring issues of mouse waking it back up)

If I turn the laptop off with the usb hub plugged in, 20 seconds after everything stops… the g13 and balteus light back up
… so maybe it’s the laptop right?…. If I unplug the hub from the laptop AFTER shutdown… nothing changes… they stay lit up

Ah, so it must be the other way around right? Must be the hub having its own power supply….

If I unplug the hub from the laptop BEFORE I shutdown, the devices go dark and stay off

So it’s NOT the hub, especially since the g13 sits dark most of the time when the computer is just idling anyways if I don’t have the Logitech software up

It seems like something is happening at shutdown, that sets the devices to like an independent mode or something

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@Eriequiet

so maybe it’s the laptop right?

That was my guess, I would be looking thouroughly at the ASUS side of things before windows or Bios

( ASUS settings and interweb searches key words ASUS RGB - idle, issue, problem, hibernate…)

[Pilgrimsmaster]

@vepr

Yeah @Pilgrimsmaster, it was your post that got me wondering about the anatomical snuff box.

I assumed so, I can only think of 2 others.

@vepr

Any pros and cons between spot 3 and 4?

virtually identical, It would just depend on what you currently have and what you plan to put there.

@vepr

veins look like they take up a lot of realestate in my hands

You dont really need to worry about veins after the install, they generally just move around obstacles.

If I avoided veins, I wouldnt have any implants on the back of my hands.

@vepr

I’m interested in FlexClass because my employer uses iClass tags. I’ve already figured out how to clone them to a Legacy tag. They don’t use the full potential of their Seos readers I guess.

Thats a different story then, that sounds like a definite option for you.

@vepr

I thought about placing the xEM and xSIID next to each other but I rather keep them apart a bit so there aren’t any weird collisions. I guess that wouldn’t be likely though.

Many people have done this without issue, including myself

Just make sure you keep them 5mm apart.

If you are paranoid, Tape down a toothpick/matchstick/cottonbud to keep them seperated whilst you heal

[Eriequiet]

@Pilgrimsmaster

That was my guess, I would be looking thouroughly at the ASUS side of things before windows or Bios

( ASUS settings and interweb searches key words ASUS RGB - idle, issue, problem, hibernate…)

I’ve dug through a lot, and feel like I’ve run dry on internet advice… it’s a niche enough issue that I can’t find much… but it’s similar enough to clog my search results with stuff that isn’t related enough to help

Kinda why I figured I’d mention in here, cause I’m about at my wits end with it

[Pilgrimsmaster]

I assumed you would have, as thats where I would have focussed my initial fault finding also.

@Eriequiet

it’s similar enough to clog my search results with stuff that isn’t related enough to help

you have probably already tried, but have you used differentl search engines? You know how BING gives real shit results compared to others!?
[WHY DOES BING EVEN EXIST,? NOBODY LIKES YOU OR USES YOU BING, JUST FUCK OFF FROM THE INTERNET]

but, try some others if you havent already, hopefully it will yeild the results you are needing

@Eriequiet

I was hoping to not polute the thread… but then again it’s THIS thread so really it’s just feeding the fish

Exactly, you used this thread for the exact reason I set it up.
Check out my/ the first post.

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[amal]

@Eriequiet

It seems like something is happening at shutdown, that sets the devices to like an independent mode or something

My hunch is that this is driver related such that during shutdown, the driver is basically going through a “death knell” and sending something to the USB devices attached to the hub which kind of puts them into a full power state but leaves nothing to “talk to” on the USB host side.

• They don’t do this if these devices are plugged directly into the laptop do they? It only happens to these devices if they are connected through the hub?

You might consider uninstalling / reinstalling the USB Hub driver and / or the USB Host Controller driver.

[Eriequiet]

@amal

They don’t do this if these devices are plugged directly into the laptop do they? It only happens to these devices if they are connected through the hub?

That’s one of my next things to test… I’ve procrastinated since I’ve got all the cables tucked in nice and tight and cable managed to a T

@amal

You might consider uninstalling / reinstalling the USB Hub driver and / or the USB Host Controller driver.

Sounds like a good idea, problem is this is something I’ve always struggled with… I’ve got so many of the exact same generic device names that it’s hard to know which device is which

Technically I’ve got 2 or 3 different hubs in play
The main usb hub, then a small hub that breaks off that for easy access ports, and then the mousepad itself has a usb pass through that probably registers as a generic

I swear it’s not as much of a mess as it sounds like

[Firespei]

Since you never (i think) mentioned that exlicitly: did you try a different Usb port? Like @mfries18 said, one of them might stay on for charging purposes. On my laptop, there is one port that does this that can be turned off in Bios.

[Eriequiet]

Yea I tried that, swing and a miss

I am going to dig out my usb multi meter and see what it registers for power output

Ok I can confirm via voltage,
When asleep all USB ports on laptop are powered
When shutdown all USB ports on laptop are dead

ok…
what about this info chunk from microsoft, about remote wake of usb devices… sounds ballparkish

Remote Wake-Up of USB Devices - Windows drivers

problem is, its a little over my head trying to figure out how to disable this…
I do know I have usb selective suspend disabled if thats all it is

[Eriequiet]

ok… I found this poking around the driver for one of the misbehaving devices…
I don’t understand it… but it SEEMS like this is sort of the stuff I want to look at?
I just don’t understand how to change anything

just sort of blindly trying to make heads or tails of this stuff

Device Low-Power States - Windows drivers

[Eriequiet]

Ok, more info for you to make sense of

The G13, if I plug it directly into the laptop, no usb hub… it stays shut down (makes sense given that it’s confirmed the g13 can’t get any power from the laptop once it’s off, all 3 ports are dead

The Balteus mouse pad, uses 2 usb A connections
One seems to be power for the RGB, one seems to be data for the usb pass through, but it’s probably weirder than that…. I tried plugging each into the laptop directly without the hub… it it continued to turn back on

Appreciate you helping me to try to make sense of this

[shadowtux]

Finally got mine and installers time tables to match and I’ll be making a journey next week to his place

Little bit longer than usually before install but holidays happened

So the flex going to be taken out next week.

[StarGazer1258]

Awwww… You guys have been talking networking stuff without me?

Then again, I work every day with 40G/100G equipment, so 10G is nothing in comparison.